Merged "Iron-rich spheres" - scienctific explanation?

[superlogicalthinker]

And another...

http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_power_down.html

Dude....cmon. You can't just cite a debunking site. I don't reference truth sites cause you won't consider them credible right? I find (most of the time) neutral links like the one from metcalf.

I could cite www.ae911truth.org all the time too bro.

Fact is.... there were a series of "upgrades" months and weeks prior to 9/11. These "upgrades" allowed access to specific areas needed as per Scott Forbes. Best way to do a crime is to hide in plane site.

 

[Ivan Kminek]

Just got an email from Jim Millette, our dust researcher. He is looking into getting samples of 1) unburned concrete pieces from the WTC debris 2) a piece of the "meteorite" (this I am guessing is unlikely) 3 a sample of Laclede paint primer from a WTC I or II truss. There may be some reasonable charge for his time to do this.

Jim has proven to be not only patient and forthcoming with my challenging questions from the 9/11 Truth side, but amazingly helpful with requests from Oystein/Ivan et al. Let's see what happens.

Almost incredible, Chris It seems that Jim Millette and you (I'm not sure with the order) are someones like "Dei ex machina" in this detective case" Without you, we debunkers in the paint thread would be basically contenedly relaxing Now, it seems that substantial progress is on the way Thanks.

 

[Edx]

Dude....cmon. You can't just cite a debunking site. I don't reference truth sites cause you won't consider them credible right?

Uh, you just did reference a truther video.

I find (most of the time) neutral links like the one from metcalf.

You really dont know anything about anything do you? Metacafe is just a video hosting company like YouTube where users can upload videos. The video you linked to is a clip from 911 Mysteries, in many ways even worse than Loose Change, how in the world is that "neutral"? Not sure what you would consider neutral anyway.

I could cite www.ae911truth.org all the time too bro.

You can if you want, so long as there is a point in doing so. If you are saying there are legitimate peer reviewed articles supporting 911 Truth claims, then you cannot cite AE911. But if there is a series of claims from a truther then its fine to cite a AE911, but not as an authority, but rather as a place where one can read the claim. 911 Myths article wasnt given to you to act as an authority, it was given to you because it shows you that you are dead wrong.

Fact is.... there were a series of "upgrades" months and weeks prior to 9/11. These "upgrades" allowed access to specific areas needed as per Scott Forbes. Best way to do a crime is to hide in plane site.

No that is not a fact at all.

You dismissed that link without even reading it, didn't you? I bet you didnt even click on it.

 

[beachnut]

Dude....cmon. You can't just cite a debunking site. I don't reference truth sites cause you won't consider them credible right? I find (most of the time) neutral links like the one from metcalf.

I could cite www.ae911truth.org all the time too bro.

Fact is.... there were a series of "upgrades" months and weeks prior to 9/11. These "upgrades" allowed access to specific areas needed as per Scott Forbes. Best way to do a crime is to hide in plane site.

You 911 truth followers can't do differential equations to comprehend the collapse so you make up thermite.

You have to make up lies to support your delusions. You failed to source any of your posts claims. When will you prove all WTC dust had 6 percent iron? Today, next week, next year? When? 10 years of failure to infinity : 911 truth, on track, they will be infinite failures, like Bigfoot, and flat-earth believers, science is not used, it is avoided. Why are you anti-science, spreading paranoid lies implying thermite was planted?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

The amount of thermite used is unknown. The amount of thermate is unknown. The amount of nanothermite is unknown.

All there is, is an accumulation of a number of things. Remember what Niels says.."explosives and incendiaries both played a role in the demolitions, what role they played we do not know"

You don't know? Well come back when you can take at least an educated guess! If the iron came from thermite then there must have been thousands of tons of the stuff......and who needs "incendiaries" when you have a 767 at 500mph?????
and we know there were no explosives because there are none of the characteristic bangs nor any shock waves

 

[sheeplesnshills]

So if nobody has ever presented any evidence that fly ash was even used in the concrete mix for WTC, then what is the basis for that argument?

Seems like it shouln't even be spoken of unless it is documented to have been used.

it's not documented in any of the reports.

where is it documented that thermite was used? and no the Bentham joke doesn't count because if you can claim that then I can claim a Superman comic proves the existence of Kryptonite and the Movie "Avatar" proves the existance of Unobtainium.....

As I said, I don't care if it was or wasn't used in the concrete, I'm not making any claims about the concrete, but you are, so the burden of proof is wholly on you. Fly ash is known to be used in concrete so you show it was not used in the WTC Concrete......

 

[superlogicalthinker]

where is it documented that thermite was used? and no the Bentham joke doesn't count because if you can claim that then I can claim a Superman comic proves the existence of Kryptonite and the Movie "Avatar" proves the existance of Unobtainium.....

As I said, I don't care if it was or wasn't used in the concrete, I'm not making any claims about the concrete, but you are, so the burden of proof is wholly on you. Fly ash is known to be used in concrete so you show it was not used in the WTC Concrete......

What part of: "iron and lead were melted during the WTC Event, producing spherical metallic particles" don't you understand?

Do you actually think you know better than the RJ Lee Group that studied the dust?

And besides the argument about the spheres is to establish temperatures far above what office fires can attain and there is an unimpeachable source - the NYPD Museum.

This video is a photo of a display case with a gun encased in concrete that melted. You can see the is kind of like a mini meteorite. To elements melted as one. Could Jim somehow get a sample from this so we can test what kind of degrees this thing experienced?

I'm trying to upload the photo and it's not working. Says it take too much time. But watch this, at At 9:55 is a photo of a display case with a gun encased in concrete that melted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

In the picture I have you can see the display case at the NYPD museum reads " remains of a revolver embedded in concrete" and further on it says " the fires were so intense that concrete melted like lava"....right there in the NYPD museum.

I forget who it was but someone asked me to post some melted concrete as if it didn't happen. Don't worry I'll find you.

Now wait a minute......how hot does a fire have to be to melt concrete?

The melting point of concrete varies between 1800-2500°C. (3272-4532 degrees F.) http://www.weldcare.co.uk/app10.htm

I challenge anyone here to present a fire that hot to have "melted concrete like lava".

Again, I can't get the picture up, but it will send in an email. If someone would like to create an account, or provide an e-mail address so I could send it, and maybe they can play with it and post it so you can see that everything here I have stated is backed up.

 

[beachnut]

What part of: "iron and lead were melted during the WTC Event, producing spherical metallic particles" don't you understand?

Do you actually think you know better than the RJ Lee Group that studied the dust?

And besides the argument about the spheres is to establish temperatures far above what office fires can attain and there is an unimpeachable source - the NYPD Museum.

This video is a photo of a display case with a gun encased in concrete that melted. You can see the is kind of like a mini meteorite. To elements melted as one. Could Jim somehow get a sample from this so we can test what kind of degrees this thing experienced?

I'm trying to upload the photo and it's not working. Says it take too much time. But watch this, at At 9:55 is a photo of a display case with a gun encased in concrete that melted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw

In the picture I have you can see the display case at the NYPD museum reads " remains of a revolver embedded in concrete" and further on it says " the fires were so intense that concrete melted like lava"....right there in the NYPD museum.

I forget who it was but someone asked me to post some melted concrete as if it didn't happen. Don't worry I'll find you.

Now wait a minute......how hot does a fire have to be to melt concrete?

The melting point of concrete varies between 1800-2500°C. (3272-4532 degrees F.) http://www.weldcare.co.uk/app10.htm

I challenge anyone here to present a fire that hot to have "melted concrete like lava".

Again, I can't get the picture up, but it will send in an email. If someone would like to create an account, or provide an e-mail address so I could send it, and maybe they can play with it and post it so you can see that everything here I have stated is backed up.

Wow, failed debunked delusions.

BTW, all you junk is regurgitated failed delusions, already debunked. Your post proves you are one of the worse 911 truth followers in research. Bad!, the bad kind of bad, as in not rational research. Lava, that is a good one. Keep the failed claims coming, you are repeating the delusions from 2006. No Pulitzer for you. You sure are gullible.


You post moronic videos, proves you can't figure out anything related to 911.

the fires were so intense that concrete melted like lava

Source? lol, how old are you? You blindly lie for liars, a follower, not a researcher, a cut and paste fooled my idiotic lies in delusional videos. good job

 

[superlogicalthinker]

You don't know? Well come back when you can take at least an educated guess! If the iron came from thermite then there must have been thousands of tons of the stuff......and who needs "incendiaries" when you have a 767 at 500mph?????
and we know there were no explosives because there are none of the characteristic bangs nor any shock waves

Actually there are reports of a"shockwave ripping through the building" in regards to WTC7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw 2:34 is where the comment is made.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

Wow, failed debunked delusions.

BTW, all you junk is regurgitated failed delusions, already debunked. Your post proves you are one of the worse 911 truth followers in research. Bad!, the bad kind of bad, as in not rational research. Lava, that is a good one. Keep the failed claims coming, you are repeating the delusions from 2006. No Pulitzer for you. You sure are gullible.

I didn't say it, the NYPD museum did. like i said i have the proof. If you too scared to look at it thats your problem...I'm still trying to up load it don't worry.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

Source? lol, how old are you? You blindly lie for liars, a follower, not a researcher, a cut and paste fooled my idiotic lies in delusional videos. good job

Woooowwww!!! Your getting quite upset eh??? My source is the NYPD museum.

 

[beachnut]

Actually there are reports of a"shockwave ripping through the building" in regards to WTC7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw 2:34 is where the comment is made.

A video. You get all your lies and delusions from truther videos made by morons. What does this have to do with iron at percents the same as iron in the earth's crust. Why do you stick with lies already debunked? Why are you fooled by liars?

You picked a video where people who disagree with the video are blocked, blocked, no free speech from Gage's goons.

You post videos from people who don't allow discussion, don't allow truth, they block people who post the truth. You support liars and disrespect everyone killed on 911 by doing shallow incomplete shoddy research, which consists of googling 911 and posting the most idiotic videos and lies you can find. You should be proud you don't care, and support liars. Why are you anti-science? Are you a neoNAZI supporter too?

Wow, you show a failed video which has nothing to do with iron found at the WTC sites at concentrations the same as the earths crust. Try using science and get your parents to help you defeat your delusions.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

What part of: "iron and lead were melted during the WTC Event, producing spherical metallic particles" don't you understand?

Do you actually think you know better than the RJ Lee Group that studied the dust?

Where do you think I disputed RJ Lee? I am disputing your assertions.

And besides the argument about the spheres is to establish temperatures far above what office fires can attain and there is an unimpeachable source - the NYPD Museum.

This video is a photo of a display case with a gun encased in concrete that melted. You can see the is kind of like a mini meteorite. To elements melted as one. Could Jim somehow get a sample from this so we can test what kind of degrees this thing experienced?

Thats just rehardened concrete slurry. The guy that labeled it is mistaken. You can easily try that yourself. smash up some concrete to dust, heat it up in a hot fire, let it cool down, mix with water and pour over a gun and let it reset. voila "melted " concrete.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Actually there are reports of a"shockwave ripping through the building" in regards to WTC7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZEvA8BCoBw 2:34 is where the comment is made.

but where is it on camera? A person might mistake a shock as a shock-wave but a camera would not and there were an lot of them focused on the building, not one catch a shock-wave.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

A video. You get all your lies and delusions from truther videos made by morons. What does this have to do with iron at percents the same as iron in the earth's crust. Why do you stick with lies already debunked? Why are you fooled by liars?

You picked a video where people who disagree with the video are blocked, blocked, no free speech from Gage's goons.

You post videos from people who don't allow discussion, don't allow truth, they block people who post the truth. You support liars and disrespect everyone killed on 911 by doing shallow incomplete shoddy research, which consists of googling 911 and posting the most idiotic videos and lies you can find. You should be proud you don't care, and support liars. Why are you anti-science? Are you a neoNAZI supporter too?

Wow, you show a failed video which has nothing to do with iron found at the WTC sites at concentrations the same as the earths crust. Try using science and get your parents to help you defeat your delusions.

Read my first post real close again. dude call the museum if you dont beleive me. i am not lying. Here...create an email account and i will send it to you to look for yourself.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

Where do you think I disputed RJ Lee? I am disputing your assertions.



Thats just rehardened concrete slurry. The guy that labeled it is mistaken. You can easily try that yourself. smash up some concrete to dust, heat it up in a hot fire, let it cool down, mix with water and pour over a gun and let it reset. voila "melted " concrete.

No im sorry it says revolver brother. what is a relover made from again?

 

[beachnut]

I didn't say it, the NYPD museum did. like i said i have the proof. If you too scared to look at it thats your problem...I'm still trying to up load it don't worry.

You post a lie, there was no lava, and now you are retracting it?

You post lies, you are 5 to 6 years behind, reposting delusional junk. Why can't you figure out 911? Did you take physics yet?

I already saw a gun crushed and rusted. You want to lie and call it lava, but you failed; I already saw your failed photo, and it is not your photo. You don't seem to comprehend you are repeating lies already debunked years ago, and you don't care. You failed before your first delusional post of woo. You are gullible and your post proves it again.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

A video. You get all your lies and delusions from truther videos made by morons. What does this have to do with iron at percents the same as iron in the earth's crust. Why do you stick with lies already debunked? Why are you fooled by liars?

You picked a video where people who disagree with the video are blocked, blocked, no free speech from Gage's goons.

You post videos from people who don't allow discussion, don't allow truth, they block people who post the truth. You support liars and disrespect everyone killed on 911 by doing shallow incomplete shoddy research, which consists of googling 911 and posting the most idiotic videos and lies you can find. You should be proud you don't care, and support liars. Why are you anti-science? Are you a neoNAZI supporter too?

Wow, you show a failed video which has nothing to do with iron found at the WTC sites at concentrations the same as the earths crust. Try using science and get your parents to help you defeat your delusions.

I picked a video that shows a melted revolver in melted concrete...."incased" they call it at the NYPD museum.

 

[superlogicalthinker]

You post a lie, there was no lava, and now you are retracting it?

You post lies, you are 5 to 6 years behind, reposting delusional junk. Why can't you figure out 911? Did you take physics yet?

I already saw a gun crushed and rusted. You want to lie and call it lava, but you failed; I already saw your failed photo, and it is not your photo. You don't seem to comprehend you are repeating lies already debunked years ago, and you don't care. You failed before your first delusional post of woo. You are gullible and your post proves it again.

Dude...I am not lying. I am not saying anything. it is on the plaque on the wall behind the piece of debris. i am not asserting anything. I am just posting public information.

 

[beachnut]

I picked a video that shows a melted revolver in melted concrete...."incased" they call it at the NYPD museum.

You showed a video produced by people who ban people who disagree with them. When you post the truth at that idiotic video you posted and were fooled by, the BLOCK you. They are truthNAZIs, liars, who spread delusions too stupid for most, but repeated by you out of ignorance. You are gullible.

The video you posted is propaganda by Gage, it is dumbed down to fool idiots so they donate to Gage's one man travel club. You were fooled. You repeat lies and the lava lie is moronic. Why are you fooled by idiotic claims?

You junk was debunked years ago. Are you too lazy to do rational research?