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Iraqis stage mass anti-US rally

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From the BBC

Iraqis stage mass anti-US rally

Supporters of Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr have staged a mass demonstration in Baghdad in protest against plans to extend the US mandate in Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7677551.stm

From Reuters

Thousands march in Baghdad against U.S. pact

BAGHDAD, Oct 18 (Reuters) - Thousands of followers of anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr took to the streets on Saturday in a demonstration against a pact that would allow U.S. forces to stay in Iraq for three more years.
http://www.reuters.com/article/homepageCrisis/idUSLI497299._CH_.2400

I have not seen an pro-US rally, so far.
Maybe many Iraqis are not so happy of having had their country "liberated" from Saddam..
Oh! Those ungrateful Iraqis..

Please, post your thoughts below.
 
It's time to get out of there if the Iraqis are in favor of that. Sure,
a demonstration of 50,000 people is massive, but I don't know if
that's a countrywide point of View from the Shī‘ah Majority.

Unfortunately, America is more interested in the stability of their
favored democratic Government, so they cannot care about "If
the Iraqis stand up ... " - because an "Iranian Revolution" in Iraq
would be a "game-changer". :"/
 
Oliver said:
It's time to get out of there if the Iraqis are in favor of that. Sure,
a demonstration of 50,000 people is massive, but I don't know if
that's a countrywide point of View from the Shī‘ah Majority.
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50,000 in a population that size isn't that much. We know Sadr wants the US out. How else is he going to beat the Badr Organization?
 
geni said:
50,000 in a population that size isn't that much. We know Sadr wants the US out. How else is he going to beat the Badr Organization?
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That's not the point. The funny point is that Bush babbled that
if the "Iraqis stand up, we stand down". So what's funny about
that? Well, if the Iraqi stand up, the Hawks still don't want to
stand down - they can't.

That's a logical conclusion since the Regime in Washington has to
keep their implemented Government stable - ergo, stay. Of course,
unless the Economy weights in.

Oh that evil liberal economy.
 
Oliver said:
It's time to get out of there if the Iraqis are in favor of that. Sure,
a demonstration of 50,000 people is massive, but I don't know if
that's a countrywide point of View from the Shī‘ah Majority.

Unfortunately, America is more interested in the stability of their
favored democratic Government, so they cannot care about "If
the Iraqis stand up ... " - because an "Iranian Revolution" in Iraq
would be a "game-changer". :"/
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The real game changer is going to be the rise of China.
Let`s hope that they will behave well (I have many doubts, though..)
 
Oliver said:
That's not the point. The funny point is that Bush babbled that
if the "Iraqis stand up, we stand down". So what's funny about
that? Well, if the Iraqi stand up, the Hawks still don't want to
stand down - they can't.
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It's almost as if you're pretending you don't know about the recent withdrawal agreement (all troops out by 2012)... :rolleyes:

But that's OK Oliver, everyone here knows that honest discussion isn't part of your game plan.
 
WildCat said:
It's almost as if you're pretending you don't know about the recent withdrawal agreement (all troops out by 2012)... :rolleyes:

But that's OK Oliver, everyone here knows that honest discussion isn't part of your game plan.
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"If the Iraqis stand up - we will stand down".
"If the Iraqis stand up - we will stand down in 2012".

Who is dishonest again? :confused::rolleyes:
 
I swear, he's like a frikking troofer whose world never changes:

'Wally Miller said he saw no blood'
'Rule10-loads of body parts identified'

Dumb comment
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Keep it up!
 
mrbaracuda said:
I swear, he's like a frikking troofer whose world never changes:

Keep it up!
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Is there some chance that you will participate in a political thread
one day? What is your take about the Rally?

"Huh? Rally?"
 
Oliver said:
That's not the point. The funny point is that Bush babbled that
if the "Iraqis stand up, we stand down". So what's funny about
that? Well, if the Iraqi stand up, the Hawks still don't want to
stand down - they can't.
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50K Sadr supporters are part of the problem not part of the solution.
 
Oliver said:
"If the Iraqis stand up - we will stand down".
"If the Iraqis stand up - we will stand down in 2012".

Who is dishonest again? :confused::rolleyes:
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You're being dishonest again Oliver. It is precisely because the Iraqis have stood up that we were able to set a withdrawal plan with them.

And like Geni said, Sadr is hardly part of the solution in Iraq. Unless a Shiite theocracy based on a cult of personality is your goal.
 
Matteo Martini said:
The real game changer is going to be the rise of China.
Let`s hope that they will behave well (I have many doubts, though..)
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As do I, doubts about China having anything other than self interest as a rudder control.

As to the protest, no surprise. Plenty of folk in Iraq are not too keen about the armed foreigners on their soil. Problem is, some are OK with it.

Internal Iraqi issue, and one PM Maliki will have a fun time dealing with.
 
At least Matteo ,Oliver and company are coming clean bout their support is Fudamentalist Islamics.
 
geni said:
50K Sadr supporters are part of the problem not part of the solution.
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Why, it should be them the problem and not the presence of American troops on Iraqi soil?

Darth Rotor said:
As do I, doubts about China having anything other than self interest as a rudder control.
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Yes.
We will see the difference between China having anything other than self interest as a rudder control and America having anything other than self interest as a rudder control.
Joking aside, I feel uneasy about China gaining so much power, still it could be good for the equilibrium in the world to have two major powers if they do not fight each other..

Darth Rotor said:
As to the protest, no surprise. Plenty of folk in Iraq are not too keen about the armed foreigners on their soil. Problem is, some are OK with it.

Internal Iraqi issue, and one PM Maliki will have a fun time dealing with.
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There will be no such issue, when the US troops will have fled Iraq
 
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Matteo Martini said:
Why, it should be them the problem and not the presence of American troops on Iraqi soil?
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Becuase they want more long term power in iraq than the US and are prepared to wage a bloody civil war in order to get it.
 
I presume Oliver and Matteo are going to make a bee-line straight for Iraq to go live under Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr.

Lads, if he starts doing things you don't like, be sure to start bleating loudly about it to anyone who will listen. :popcorn2:
 
Sadr wants Iran to invade Iraq. Sadr is the puppet of Ahmadinejad. Ahmadinejad is a smart guy. Ahmadinejad maybe a holocaust denier but he is not a stupid man like George W. Bush is.
 
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