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Iran leader: Holocaust a 'myth'

I was only commenting on this one. His call for "israel to be pushed into the sea" I disagreed with.

Well, not really. You're on record claiming the Arabs were justified in attempting to do just that in 1948.
 
Mofaz: Israel must face Iran with solutions
'other than diplomatic'

Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz on Friday spoke harshly against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadenijad saying Israel must prepare solutions "other than diplomatic" in the face of Tehran's persistent advancement of its nuclear program.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/655943.html


As usual, Israel`s direct threats of violence don`t get any media condemnation.
Israel must prepare solutions "other than diplomatic" - surely the world media is not going to sit back and allow such incitement to violence from the direction of Israel, when they didn't sit back on the Iranian leader's speech suggesting that the occupying regime in Jerusalem should be wiped out only a few weeks ago?
Israel's words are certainly stronger than those recent words of Iran - and Israel has the military power and track record to back them up.


Here`s another article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1920074,00.html

One has only to imagine the tone of the article were the players reversed to see the hypocrisy of this report. There are also echoes, in comments about the international effort soon "having run its course", of US statements prior to invading Iraq. Note too that the fact Israel has a listening post in northern Iraq is mentioned without comment. Also the Osirak myth persists.
 
Skeptic said:
Which, curiously enough, is exactly the position of the liberal European intelligentia about israel.

Without going into details into why this view is, shall we say, not exactly accurate, doesn't the fact that European elite public opinion about israel agrees with that of the president of the world's largest Islamic theocracy, who had openly and repeatedly called for israel's destruction, tell us something about what elite European public opinion's worth?

(Of course, the selfsame european elites would be shocked and embarrased if they agreed substantially about some important issue with a really bad person, such as G. W. Bush...)
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My curiosity is piqued by this statement. Even though I'm from the Netherlands, I'm not familiar with this particular opinion of the (liberal) European elite/intelligentsia.

Why is this? Maybe one European country's 'liberal elite/intelligentsia' are virtually unknown in another? Perhaps the 'liberal elite/intelligentsia' from one European country do not necessarily share the views of the other? Maybe the views aren't even strictly 'European', but shared by a number of American 'lower class/stupiditsia' as well?

Can you show me a few links or quotes or articles that prove this is indeed, as far as the western world is concerned, exclusively the opinion of all 'European elites/intelligentsia'?
 
zenith-nadir said:
And sadly, there are millions who think just like him.

Gosh...if only Israel would finally be destroyed and then all would be right in the world.
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From your link:
Eldar also claims that simply saying the world's view of Israel is that the Jewish state poses a threat to world stability is not an anti-Semitic view: "Arguing it takes an anti-Semite to call the Israeli government's policies of 2003 a danger to world peace is a contemptible cheapening of the term anti-Semitism."
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Perforatu said:
Can you show me a few links or quotes or articles that prove this is indeed, as far as the western world is concerned, exclusively the opinion of all 'European elites/intelligentsia'?
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I wish you good luck on your quest to get Skeptic support that particular statement. I tried it two or three times before I realised the futility of it.
 
demon, if you can't see the difference between asking for the complete eradication of an entire nation, and an isolated raid against a military-value target (NATANZ, for instance), then it is small wonder you are confused by the overall situation in the MidEast, as evidenced by many of your postings here.
 
Skeptic said:
European elite public opinion about israel agrees with that of the president of the world's largest Islamic theocracy, who had openly and repeatedly called for israel's destruction...
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Please tell us which European elite agrees that Israel should be destroyed.

How do you identify this "elite"?

The normal method of deciding that you face a sinister elite of imaginary enemies involves hysteria and paranoia; but please tell me that you've found another method.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Please tell us which European elite agrees that Israel should be destroyed.

How do you identify this "elite"?

The normal method of deciding that you face a sinister elite of imaginary enemies involves hysteria and paranoia; but please tell me that you've found another method.
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I suspect he was referring to Geni's

"they are making a myth out of a historical situation as justification for the ongoing existence of Israel."
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but even pretending "European liberal elite" agrees on this bit is a big fat strawman.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Please tell us which European elite agrees that Israel should be destroyed.
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Several years ago, in a thread that has been purged from database Skeptic went even further claiming that: "European liberals want the death of all Jews".

That was the moment when I stopped taking his political views seriously.

[Edited to add: that thread was number 11522 but that thread number has been recycled and is now on completely different subject.]
 
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Flo said:
Speaking about your view of the liberal European intelligentia .... :rolleyes:
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The day "Skeptic" posts an accurate assessment about anything European or anyone who disagrees with him will be the day the world comes to an end.
 
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Skeptic said:
Which, curiously enough, is exactly the position of the liberal European intelligentia about israel.
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Ok, I'll make the Hitler reference. Hitler was a vegetarian and was an outspoken critic of cosmetics.

However, I don't compare my sister to Hitler when she tries to switch to a vegetarian diet, and starts to use less make-up. Would you?

Heck, the white supremecists here are Holocaust deniers too, are you suggesting that they're joined at the cranium with Iranian supremacists?
 
demon said:
As usual, Israel`s direct threats of violence don`t get any media condemnation.
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Wow, isn't that turning the world on it's head.

Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, the presidend of Iran claims Israel should be wiped off the map, yet you claim it's Israel making a direct threat of violence.
 
ImaginalDisc said:
Ok, I'll make the Hitler reference. Hitler was a vegetarian and was an outspoken critic of cosmetics.

However, I don't compare my sister to Hitler when she tries to switch to a vegetarian diet, and starts to use less make-up. Would you?
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No; but if she wears funny clothes, you will tell her that she "dresses like a clown", while if she eats three big macs at one sitting you will tell her that she "eats like a pig".

This would hardly mean that you think your sister really is a clown or a pig, and I am not saying European intelligentia is the same as Muslim fanatics. But when your view of israeli history is the same as that of Muslims fanatics, something is wrong with your views, wouldn't you say?
 
Skeptic said:
No; but if she wears funny clothes, you will tell her that she "dresses like a clown", while if she eats three big macs at one sitting you will tell her that she "eats like a pig".

This would hardly mean that you think your sister really is a clown or a pig, and I am not saying European intelligentia is the same as Muslim fanatics. But when your view of israeli history is the same as that of Muslims fanatics, something is wrong with your views, wouldn't you say?
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I'd agree, except I am far from convinced this actually is the view of the 'European intelligentsia'. I'm not even convinced the 'European intelligentsia', as you call it, is homogenous or connected enough to collectively arrive at this opinion. Living in the Netherlands, and being fairly up-to-date on world matters, you'd think I would have heard something about it.

I'm sure there's a few intelligentsia (who happen to be European) who share the view you describe, just as I'm sure there's stupiditsia and averagetsia on both sides of the Atlantic who share it. But as to your original statement - I'm still waiting for links, articles or evidence of any kind.
 
Mycroft said:
Wow, isn't that turning the world on it's head.

Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons, the presidend of Iran claims Israel should be wiped off the map, yet you claim it's Israel making a direct threat of violence.
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Well, they are, in self-defense. In response to a threat, in self defense, but yes, it is a threat of violence.

After all, if somebody comes after you with a loaded B29, you're not being peaceful by launching a half-dozen sidewinders (or whatever) at them. You are, on the other hand, engaging in self-defense. Sometimes self-defense has to be violent.
 
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