Iran attacks british forces

[WildCat]

You backpedal well.

Backpedal from what? The position you attributed to him in the strawman you built?

How wonderful you chose the JREF to throw your little temper tantrum. Grow up, indeed.

 

[Ziggurat]

Suddenly "or else what?" implies that we'd have the full support of the USA.

No, it doesn't. The "or else what?" comment doesn't imply anything in any direction about US support. And the question still stands, whether or not the US backs the UK: what threat is being put on the table here? Having the full support of the US may broaden the possible answers to that question, but it doesn't actually provide the answer.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Backpedal from what? The position you attributed to him in the strawman you built?

How wonderful you chose the JREF to throw your little temper tantrum. Grow up, indeed.

This post would have more relevance to the subject under discussion if it related to the subject we were discussing.

If you have any actual criticisms of my point of view, you'd probably look smarter if you actually posted them.

 

[Ziggurat]

I get the impression, correct me if I'm wrong, that if British servicemen are kidnapped by Iranians, then one or two of you, such as BPSGC, might say "or else what?" i.e. the same thing that fanatical shi'ite muslims might say.

You are wrong, so let me correct you. This is the internet: tone of voice and body language don't get transmitted in text, and when you ascribe such components to a textual communication, you're going to make mistakes. This is one such example. There's no need to read his question that way, and your decision to do so and then start hurling personal insults (rather than ask exactly how he meant it) just makes you come off as a hyper-sensitive whiner.

 

[Dr Adequate]

No, it doesn't. The "or else what?" comment doesn't imply anything in any direction about US support.

But this is clearly not true.

Apart from that, good answer.

Damn, if only it related to the real world in any way whatsoever, that would have been an excellent point.

You want to try again?

 

[WildCat]

This post would have more relevance to the subject under discussion if it related to the subject we were discussing.

The subject was entirely manufactured by you. "Or else what" did not imply anything vis a vis US support for the UK. You built the strawman, then threw a hissy fit about it.

Stop acting like a child.

 

[Dr Adequate]

You are wrong, so let me correct you. This is the internet: tone of voice and body language don't get transmitted in text, and when you ascribe such components to a textual communication, you're going to make mistakes. This is one such example. There's no need to read his question that way, and your decision to do so and then start hurling personal insults (rather than ask exactly how he meant it) just makes you come off as a hyper-sensitive whiner.

Ah, I see. I shouldn't have answered what he actually wrote: that's just me being "hyper-sensitive". Instead, I should have replied to something he didn't write. Otherwise, I'm "whining".

That's nearly the stupidest justification for backpedalling that I've ever read, but try again, you might come up with something even dumber.

 

[BPSCG]

Because this is what the ******* **** did in fact say.

Okay, it's obvious you want to pick a fight, for reasons only known to you. Sorry, I can't accommodate you. Don't waste keystrokes on my posts any more, because you won't get any response.

 

[Dr Adequate]

The subject was entirely manufactured by you. "Or else what" did not imply anything vis a vis US support for the UK. You built the strawman, then threw a hissy fit about it.

Stop acting like a child.

I see. You still wish to run away from the point of view which you are not able to defend.

Run, little doggie, run!

 

[Ziggurat]

But this is clearly not true.

It may be clear to you. But for some strange reason, you're the only person it's clear to. Doesn't that suggest that maybe, you know, it isn't so clear?

You want to try again?

Let me make it simple for you. Suppose the UK had full backing from the US in whatever course of action the UK decided to pursue, that we'd do anything you requested of us to resolve this. The question still stands: if you want to make a demand from the Iranians, you need to make a threat. It may not be a threat of violence, but if there's no threat, it's not a demand, it's a request. The UK wants it viewed as a demand, so they better be ready to make a threat of some sort. What will that threat be? That question exists regardless of US involvement. And it's a question you have studiously avoided. Which is quite silly of you, because there are a few possible answers which are fairly obvious.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Okay, it's obvious you want to pick a fight, for reasons only known to you. Sorry, I can't accommodate you. Don't waste keystrokes on my posts any more, because you won't get any response.

So, you are completely unable to defend your point of view. And you are so frightened of people debating you that you refuse to debate your point of view.

As I have pointed out, you are a stupid coward.

And now you acknowlege that you can't even argue against this.

You stupid cowardly dishonorable ungrateful liar.

 

[WildCat]

I see. You still wish to run away from the point of view which you are not able to defend.

Run, little doggie, run!

No Dr. A, you made up a point of view that nobody - including BPSG - advocated and then you threw a hissy fit about it. Obviously, like a spoiled child you're going to keep throwing your hissy fit.

Have fun with that, I'm not here to babysit you.

 

[Dr Adequate]

It may be clear to you. But for some strange reason, you're the only person it's clear to. Doesn't that suggest that maybe, you know, it isn't so clear?

But this is a lie. My point is quite clear to Darth Rotor, who, as a US serviceman, has served side by side with British servicemen in Iraq.

When you stop reciting stupid stinking lies, then maybe I will engage with you in debate. Until then, you are a stupid stinking liar.

 

[Dr Adequate]

No Dr. A, you made up a point of view that nobody - including BPSG - advocated and then you threw a hissy fit about it. Obviously, like a spoiled child you're going to keep throwing your hissy fit.

But, you see, you are lying.

Telling me lies about my opinions does not make the facts go away by magic, because reciting nonsense does not in fact change reality.

 

[Tailgater]

"The British government is demanding the immediate and safe return of our people and equipment."

Ok. I love the brits and fully support them with whatever they decide and I'll ask the question. Or else what? I think it is a fairly important question in the current climate.

 

[LawnOven]

Hey, come on, you guys should be fighting about which one of you hates Ahmadinejad the most.

Ahmadinejad is a giant douche bag.

discuss.

 

[Ziggurat]

But this is a lie. My point is quite clear to Darth Rotor, who, as a US serviceman, has served side by side with British servicemen in Iraq.

Is that why he said, "Interesting rant"? Because he agreed that BPSCG meant the US wouldn't support the UK? He didn't say anything to that effect. Are you posting drunk?

When you stop reciting stupid stinking lies, then maybe I will engage with you in debate. Until then, you are a stupid stinking liar.

 

[ZeeGerman]

My my,
sometimes I really wonder what happend to good manners here.

Beeps asks "or else what"
Dr. A. gets it down as "or else what are you going to do if uncle sam doesn't help you?- neener neener", throws a fit (understandable) and overdoes the reply.
In a kind discussion Beeps could have replied something like " hey man, don't get me wrong, I didn't mean no offense but blah blah", to which Dr. A. could have answered "Ups, sorry then forget what I said".
It's really not so hard to say sorry, if you stepped on somebody's toes, even to someone you disagree with most of the time.
Instead we get this bickering about who's right and who is not and the whole thread goes south.

Regarding the issue at hand, I'm with Rik and D.R., the soldiers will probably be back within a week.

Zee

 

[Dr Adequate]

Ok. I love the brits and fully support them with whatever they decide and I'll ask the question. Or else what?

Or else:

(1) The British have all the military options available to Americans. We have everything from nukes to the SAS. We can do military stuff. That's one answer to "or else what?" That's why you wanted us as allies.

(2) Apparently you Americans love us Limeys and fully support us. You said so in your post. And you are the world's only super power. That also is, surely, an answer to the question "or else what?" As we are your allies, surely you are on our side? "Or else what?" Or else, at least, the US will back us up, rather than saying "or else what?"

We are your allies. Honor requires that you guys should side with us against Iran, rather than sitting on the sidelines and asking us what we're going to do about it. If you won't, we shall draw our own conclusions.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Is that why he said, "Interesting rant"? Because he agreed that BPSCG meant the US wouldn't support the UK? He didn't say anything to that effect. Are you posting drunk?

Posting pissed means something different to a Brit than to an American who may, or may not, be up on Brit slang.

I do not want to get involved with this pissing contest, as I've been in too many lately. Y'all be good. I am off to get pissed on tequila and beer, and to watch a ball game.

You all have a lovely weekend. If the incident in the Shatt al Arab starts World War III (not bloody likely) it's been a real treat knowing you all via internt.

(EMP will likely put the internet down anyway)


DR