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I don't dispute this in a sense of looking forward. What I was trying to stress was that in (for example) the hospital environment you had brought up they are not going to be breaking new ground. They are going to be playing against an established, entrenched, mature tablet market with expectations which will compare this new offering to existing and quite well received competition that is itself constantly innovating and improving, and doing so on a foundation of experience, selling to loyal customers.

You had brought up the "potential application" of the iPad as a tablet in hospitals in a way which seemed to suggest such application was largely unexplored. I'm just saying that it isn't, it is more of a "been there, done that" situation, and from what I've read here the iPad would be going into such an environment with a lot less ammunition than the troops already in place.
Fair enough. I don't have much experience in hospitals.

But my point remains - a tablet device is less of a replacement for a normal deskop or laptop computer, and more of a mobile specialised information-processing tool. Another application I thought of was for architects or building foremen, so that they can carry about the complete blueprints. Or field scientists, for recording data on the fly. The list goes on. An iPad could fill all these niche markets, depending on how cleverly its apps are programmed. Of course, as you point out, it's not the only available device that can do that. The iPhone isn't the only available mobile phone device either, nor is the iPod the only portable music player.
 
Personally... I think iphones are great. I dont blame apple for trying to cash in on the success of the ipod and iphone. However, I think the ipad is fail. Its just like a larger iphone without the phone capabilities. I dont really see anything new or great about it. I'll stick with a smart phone, or a laptop thanks.
 
Fair enough. I don't have much experience in hospitals.

But my point remains - a tablet device is less of a replacement for a normal deskop or laptop computer, and more of a mobile specialised information-processing tool. Another application I thought of was for architects or building foremen, so that they can carry about the complete blueprints. Or field scientists, for recording data on the fly. The list goes on. An iPad could fill all these niche markets, depending on how cleverly its apps are programmed. Of course, as you point out, it's not the only available device that can do that. The iPhone isn't the only available mobile phone device either, nor is the iPod the only portable music player.


What I'm trying to point out is that all of this has all already been done. A lot. For years. It works really great, which is why it is so successful. It just hasn't been "out there" where everyone can see. All of the examples you just mentioned, plus many, many, more are so "done" that the competitors have been fighting each other for existing market, because so much of the prospective market has been tapped.

They aren't going to be writing new apps as much as deciding whether it's worth the trouble to port the apps they've already been selling all this time to a hardware platform and OS of dubious prospects. Apple may be expanding that prospective market but they're going to be doing it inadvertently, by dispelling mistaken impressions. Like this one...

... You say "a tablet device is less of a replacement for a normal deskop or laptop computer". This is a misapprehension. The one I toted around in the field I could take back into my office and slide into its docking station, where it became virtually indistinguishable from a laptop, certainly in function, and sometimes even in form, as when visitors I had were stunned to see me get up from my desk, slide it out of the docking station and tuck it under my arm to go back out in the field. At a meeting I could set it up in its keyboard/cover and it was identical in form and function to all the mainstream laptops at the table. Then I could lay it down, sketch on it like a legal pad and pass it around, or send the sketch to them over a network connection.

Laptops can't pass for tablets, but any decent tablet can pass as a laptop with ease.

Here are the specs for a bottom end configuration for the tablet I used in 2004.

Windows XP Tablet PC; 1GHz Intel Pentium M; 512MB DDR SDRAM 266MHz; Intel 855GM Extreme Graphics (up to 64MB); Hitachi Travelstar 20GN 20GB 4,200rpm.

That was ~$1700, which is why I say that I hope that mainstreaming will result in some economy of scale. The one I used had more RAM and a much bigger hard drive. At that time it was very much a vertical market item. I don't think that Motion even had any sales outlets, then, although I did start seeing some around in computer stores a year or two later. Their initial sales were almost all straight from the manufacturer. They were pretty much built on demand. You'd buy one from them, and then they'd put it together.

That new Lenovo offering someone pointed out upthread looks really interesting. It doesn't appear to have any problems about replacing a laptop, either.
 
Apparently I'm in a tiny minority, but ever since I got my iPhone a couple years ago, I thought it would be great to have "something like an iPhone, but bigger, and not a phone." Then again, I have a specific use in mind for it: replacing all the music books I might otherwise bring to a gig. I can't sit my laptop on a music stand, and my iPhone is too small to read from at a distance, but the iPad seems like the perfect solution. Combine that with the iBook and word processing features, and it's pretty close to exactly what I was hoping for. (I don't mind reading from an LCD screen.) So yeah, despite the widespread hate for this thing, I'll probably spring for one (and brave the contemptuous sneers that will follow).
 
Probably someone wanting a large iPod Touch for watching movies..
Exactly. Some people here don't seem to realize that simply making an iPod Touch bigger would make it much more suitable for videos, and also make it possible to use it as a book reader. Yeah, I know, there are reader apps for the iPod touch, but the screen is much too small. Those who complain that it won't be as good for reading as the Kindle seem to be neglecting the fact that there must be lots of people who will mostly use it for music, less often for video, and only occasionally as a reader. Those people aren't going to buy a Kindle, but they will appreciate that this thing can be used as a reader.

This device isn't for me, because I have an iPhone, and I can tolerate the small screen for video on e.g. a plane or a bus, but I would like a much better reader, so I'll probably buy the Kindle DX. Now why does that have to be so ******* expensive?

I don't understand why this would be better than a netbook that is cheaper, does much more, and isn't completely locked down.
(I'm assuming a "netbook" is one of those really tiny laptops). If you want to use it on the bus on your way to work, you don't want to wait for a minute and a half for it to boot up just to the login screen, then log in, and then wait another minute and a half for whatever it is a PC does after you login. Also, the netbook is probably not better for music, and is definitely worse as a reader. (The screen will be oriented the wrong way).
 
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I don't understand why this would be better than a netbook that is cheaper, does much more, and isn't completely locked down.

Ditto. You can get Netbooks with a faster CPU, more RAM (probably) and with far more apps, and OPEN apps for $230 less.
 
What I'm trying to point out is that all of this has all already been done. A lot. For years. It works really great, which is why it is so successful. It just hasn't been "out there" where everyone can see. All of the examples you just mentioned, plus many, many, more are so "done" that the competitors have been fighting each other for existing market, because so much of the prospective market has been tapped.
Yes, and if you'll notice, I've not been denying that. :)
 
(I'm assuming a "netbook" is one of those really tiny laptops). If you want to use it on the bus on your way to work, you don't want to wait for a minute and a half for it to boot up just to the login screen, then log in, and then wait another minute and a half for whatever it is a PC does after you login. Also, the netbook is probably not better for music, and is definitely worse as a reader. (The screen will be oriented the wrong way).

You could get a $250 netbook and a $200 e-ink e-reader that would be about the same size together, and less expensive than the ipad.
And besides, you can't multitask with an ipad, so no listening to music while you're reading, doing work and surfing the web.
 
(I'm assuming a "netbook" is one of those really tiny laptops).

Yes.

If you want to use it on the bus on your way to work, you don't want to wait for a minute and a half for it to boot up just to the login screen, then log in, and then wait another minute and a half for whatever it is a PC does after you login.

You don't have to do that. If you are not using it, close the lid and it goes to sleep, barely using any power at all. When you want to use it again, open up the lid and it wakes up in like two seconds with everything like it was when you closed it.

Also, the netbook is probably not better for music,

Probably exactly the same, just install iTunes or whatever else.

and is definitely worse as a reader. (The screen will be oriented the wrong way).

I'll concede this point.
 
You could get a $250 netbook and a $200 e-ink e-reader that would be about the same size together, and less expensive than the ipad.
And besides, you can't multitask with an ipad, so no listening to music while you're reading, doing work and surfing the web.


The only thing i would say about the above (which may have been mentioned above) is that on the iphone you can listen to music/podcasts and do other things, like surf the net or play some games. The music player seems to be the only thing that allows some form of multitasking. I would think this would be the same on the ipad.

On the general issue of the usefulness of the ipad, i am by no means an apple fanboi (i have never owned a mac, but have had a iphone for 8 months) but i will be buying an ipad. From what i've seen so far, it looks like the ideal gadget from me. I bought a laptop about a year ago and sold it after 4 months and bought a netbook, but neither suited me. When away from my desktop, the only things i need/want to do is surf the net, watch videos/listen to music and play some simple games. I may also use it for ebooks at some point. Anything more taxing, i use the desktop.

As has been said many times in this thread, the ipad is not a direct competitor for a laptop/netbook/tablet pc; it is basically a big ipod touch. It is not a desktop/laptop replacement, it is much simpler. My grandmother has never used a computer, but after 5 minutes she could use my iphone to play music and look at photos. I think it has a niche market and will not sell as many units as the ipod, but it may allow the non-computer-literate among us to access digital music, the internet, etc. Rather like early Windows did for home computing in the software field, reducing the knowledge needed to use a pc, i think the ipad will have the same effect with regards to hardware.
 
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From the descriptions coming from reporters who were allowed to use the demonstration devices, my understanding is that this is the case. It is basically a large iPod Touch with 3G connectivity.

I wonder if that means that push notifications would work...
 
The only thing i would say about the above (which may have been mentioned above) is that on the iphone you can listen to music/podcasts and do other things, like surf the net or play some games. The music player seems to be the only thing that allows some form of multitasking. I would think this would be the same on the ipad.

You're probably right.

On the general issue of the usefulness of the ipad, i am by no means an apple fanboi (i have never owned a mac, but have had a iphone for 8 months) but i will be buying an ipad. From what i've seen so far, it looks like the ideal gadget from me. I bought a laptop about a year ago and sold it after 4 months and bought a netbook, but neither suited me. When away from my desktop, the only things i need/want to do is surf the net, watch videos/listen to music and play some simple games. I may also use it for ebooks at some point. Anything more taxing, i use the desktop.

As has been said many times in this thread, the ipad is not a direct competitor for a laptop/netbook/tablet pc; it is basically a big ipod touch. It is not a desktop/laptop replacement, it is much simpler. My grandmother has never used a computer, but after 5 minutes she could use my iphone to play music and look at photos. I think it has a niche market and will not sell as many units as the ipod, but it may allow the non-computer-literate among us to access digital music, the internet, etc. Rather like early Windows did for home computing in the software field, reducing the knowledge needed to use a pc, i think the ipad will have the same effect with regards to hardware.

The ipad will have its niche market, but I don't think it's good value at that price.
A netbook, or even a cheap laptop can do many of the things that you would have to use your desktop for if you were to buy an ipad.

But if you want a easy to use tablet only to do a few specific things and you don't care about all the limitations, or what else you can but at that price, then you belong to that niche group of potential buyers that Apple is targeting.
 
LOL. Ultimate web experience? Sure....

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I agree with the point, dtugg. Lack of Flash support is a big mistake, driven, I suspect by a combination of wanting to slap Adobe and drive more users to their (revenue-bearing) content. It was the first reaction I had to the thing (see the OP.) Quicktime is OK but it won't let you play Farmville.

It comes down to Apple's control of the entire user experience. I know a lot of tech-savvy people don't approve of being robbed of the ability to take advantage of the silicon and power and display that they are holding in their hands with an iPad, but that's just not what this device is. Regardless of the hype, it's not the "ultimate web browsing experience." It's the ultimate Apple-verse experience, and for a lot of people, that's pretty good.

That said, I would be very surprised were Adobe not at work on a flash viewer that uses iPad APIs. I have no idea what's involved with that, but Apple will have to release it once it's ready. How long before HTML5 takes over and the argument becomes irrelevant?
 
I think my point (insofar as I have one) is that Adobe has a legitimate reason to fear for the relevance of Flash (beyond just this power play by Apple) as the Internet gets increasingly mobile and accessed by users with lots of different device types. If it's not natively supported by the browser, it will require extra development, an extra install by users, extra time waiting for the content to appear, and extra royalties to be paid by someone or other.

I don't think that Apple is exempt from this fear either, as they continue to drive users to their proprietary content-types, but as long as they control the end-user GUI they think they can control the backend too. Adobe's play is a huge installed base of useful, popular content, but this will continue to diminish in importance unless they do something quick.

So while Adobe is in danger of becoming the Real Media of the 2010s, Apple is in danger of becomng the AOL. But even if they falter in the content business, Apple still has the hardware business, and is doing pretty well at that.
 
The iPad is a giant piece of crap. There is zero reason to even begin to attempt to justify a single one of it's absurd shortcomings and restrictions.

I'm sorry, but I'm not going to participate in the Apple cult, and the media should be ashamed of itself.
 
How long before HTML5 takes over and the argument becomes irrelevant?

Never currently, literally years if HTML5 somehow becomes better at interactivity. Flash is its own development platform at this point, far beyond what is normally considered as being the basic niche for Flash. HTML5 will barely touch that.
 

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