As I mentioned earlier the methods of fraud the magicians accused Nina of were magnets & threads - all pretty basic stuff . This is so pathetically simple that it's the first method of fraud that just about everyone would suspect - I don't think she would be able to fool anyone regardless of whether or not they had a background in conjuring using such simple methods that can be learned by a toddler - even if she did manage this once she certainly wouldn't have got away with it for ten years and went unnoticed by so many different investigators .
Interspecies Telepathic Communication
- Thread starter Meaty Curtains
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Meaty Curtains said:
Horse whisper, cat whisper, what ever. A couple of horse whispers in Sweden were debunked both in a tabloid paper and in TV show. The show was great; in just a few episodes they debunked mediums, healers, horse whispers, dowsers.
I thought "Horse Whispering" was just a name for paying detailed attention to horse behaviour, viewing it in a sociobiological context and then behaving in such a way as to influence the animal's behaviour in ways you want. In short, doing what we do with other people all the time.
What's to debunk?
What's to debunk?
My first post so play nice people....
I'm interested in horse whispering, that is the study of horses in the wild and their social behaviour and then using this to deal with 1/2 tonne of stroppy horse flesh as I work with horses. However, I come across 'animal communicators' who claim to be able to 'talk' to horses. They 'talk' to the horses telepathically and can do readings onsite or at a distance. I think this is all rubbish but people seem to be queing up to get advice and as they are spiritualists, mediums and reiki practioners as well as people who can talk to animals the advice always seems to have a dodgey feel to it.
I challenged one woman on an internet forum to take the James Randi challenge and she was really up for it and bragged about how she would donate the money to charity as she was bound to get it. Then she read up on the details of the challenge and backed down. Her website is www.talkinghorse.co.uk so what do you think you sceptical people?
Is this an English (OK Welsh) thing or is America full of people whose pets give them advice?
I have cats and all they say is 'feed me' and I work with horses who say the same thing.
Poppy
I'm interested in horse whispering, that is the study of horses in the wild and their social behaviour and then using this to deal with 1/2 tonne of stroppy horse flesh as I work with horses. However, I come across 'animal communicators' who claim to be able to 'talk' to horses. They 'talk' to the horses telepathically and can do readings onsite or at a distance. I think this is all rubbish but people seem to be queing up to get advice and as they are spiritualists, mediums and reiki practioners as well as people who can talk to animals the advice always seems to have a dodgey feel to it.
I challenged one woman on an internet forum to take the James Randi challenge and she was really up for it and bragged about how she would donate the money to charity as she was bound to get it. Then she read up on the details of the challenge and backed down. Her website is www.talkinghorse.co.uk so what do you think you sceptical people?
Is this an English (OK Welsh) thing or is America full of people whose pets give them advice?
I have cats and all they say is 'feed me' and I work with horses who say the same thing.
Poppy
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Sadly, I think some people are just dumber than there pets in some cases. They expect their cats and dogs to act like humans. I remember a link someone posted a while back concerning a test done on the psychic powers of animals. They showed that dogs would get up and stand by the door a couple seconds before their owner got home. This seems like a paranormal power to any human who might see it. Because the people couldn't see the owners car pulling up, yet somehow the animal new it was coming. They didn't seem to consider the fact that a dog’s hearing is much more sensitive than a human’s. The dog would be able to hear the distinct sound of its owner’s car coming, long before it could see it. I bet if they had taken any random person and put him in the pet owner’s car, the dog would act the same way.
Poppy said:
Sounds like a run-of-the-mill scam artist -- an animal trainer who probably does know a bit about when animals are ill, but claims Reiki healing powers and Dr. Dolittle stuff, and preys on people's love for their animals, charging £15-£120 for mumbo-jumbo.
That she said she'd win the challenge easily, then backed away quickly when shown she'd have to perform the woo-woo stuff under carefully-scrutinized, double-blind conditions, is a recurring theme. Nothing that hasn't been seen here before.
Thank you, sometimes I feel like the only sane one around. For your edification and delight I would like to offer you a description of what animal communication is all about. This post was by anon but is close to the style of the lady whose website I quoted. I try to cut and paste them whenever I see them.
March 2003 "Due to all the nastiness about recent threads I thought I'd explain the follow.
Animals don't speak english for a start.
All living things carry a energy field around them, it can be felt seen and photographed (as in the case of kirlian photography).
In this energy field we carry emotions, feelings illness to name but a few.
In the case of a communicator, they have learnt to expand their conciousness and brainwaves to a state whereby they can tap into their subconcious.
By doing this we can read the energy. Sometimes as pictures both moving and still, sometimes symbolic sometimes words and sentances, all like a jigsaw puzzel.
The was we recieve it and the words we get are from OUR subconcious mind. It is a way for our subconcious to show us in our conciousness what it can feel and see.
We have learnt to expand our learning, our minds and literally control our minds unlike many of the people who choose to leave sarcastic posts on our threads.
Anyone can do it it's not magical or a god given gift we are all capable.
Its no different from so called human mind reading as many of us do this too.
For those interested I suggest you look up books by s Grof and C Jung both are psychiatrists who have studied such things and know all about mass conciousness and such things.Whilst the Amelia Kinkade book it good it bearly stratches the surface though is a good place to start.
Ac isn't something done by weirdos its something we can all do has been scientifically studied and shown to work. For those who attack it so much what are you afraid of? What your horse might say about you?
Walk a mile in my shoes and you'll spend a different kind of day in your life.
What we hear is what animals would say if they could speak as we do. Sarcasim, humour, sadness and happiness they have it all, they grieve fall in love. Just because you don't hear them doesn't mean it isn't real to them, think about that one.
I've heard some horses scream louder than anything I've ever heard in my life and they never even opened their mouths, didn't have to it was written all over them.Con people HA more like realists. Have a good Day. "
March 2003 "Due to all the nastiness about recent threads I thought I'd explain the follow.
Animals don't speak english for a start.
All living things carry a energy field around them, it can be felt seen and photographed (as in the case of kirlian photography).
In this energy field we carry emotions, feelings illness to name but a few.
In the case of a communicator, they have learnt to expand their conciousness and brainwaves to a state whereby they can tap into their subconcious.
By doing this we can read the energy. Sometimes as pictures both moving and still, sometimes symbolic sometimes words and sentances, all like a jigsaw puzzel.
The was we recieve it and the words we get are from OUR subconcious mind. It is a way for our subconcious to show us in our conciousness what it can feel and see.
We have learnt to expand our learning, our minds and literally control our minds unlike many of the people who choose to leave sarcastic posts on our threads.
Anyone can do it it's not magical or a god given gift we are all capable.
Its no different from so called human mind reading as many of us do this too.
For those interested I suggest you look up books by s Grof and C Jung both are psychiatrists who have studied such things and know all about mass conciousness and such things.Whilst the Amelia Kinkade book it good it bearly stratches the surface though is a good place to start.
Ac isn't something done by weirdos its something we can all do has been scientifically studied and shown to work. For those who attack it so much what are you afraid of? What your horse might say about you?
Walk a mile in my shoes and you'll spend a different kind of day in your life.
What we hear is what animals would say if they could speak as we do. Sarcasim, humour, sadness and happiness they have it all, they grieve fall in love. Just because you don't hear them doesn't mean it isn't real to them, think about that one.
I've heard some horses scream louder than anything I've ever heard in my life and they never even opened their mouths, didn't have to it was written all over them.Con people HA more like realists. Have a good Day. "
tim
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Firstly, may I welcome you to the forum, Poppy?
It's a difficult one to test, this.
I'have two dogs and guess what? They understand every word I say! Yeah, right! They understand tones of voice very well, and the sounds of some words - their names and everyday things. But mostly it's tone of voice. An excited voice will get them excited, a stern voice will get their attention in an "oh gawd, what have I done now?" sort of way. (And yes I know that's anthropomorphism.)
I've seen animal psychics on tv and they've come up with things like "Beauty is sad and misses her partner". How do you disprove emotion in an animal that doesn't talk?
I do not doubt that many people who work with animals and especially horses believe they communicate telepathically with them. I believe however that they have come to learn about the way horses think which gives them an insight into their motives. I don't believe there is anything paranormal going on.
It's a difficult one to test, this.
I'have two dogs and guess what? They understand every word I say! Yeah, right! They understand tones of voice very well, and the sounds of some words - their names and everyday things. But mostly it's tone of voice. An excited voice will get them excited, a stern voice will get their attention in an "oh gawd, what have I done now?" sort of way. (And yes I know that's anthropomorphism.)
I've seen animal psychics on tv and they've come up with things like "Beauty is sad and misses her partner". How do you disprove emotion in an animal that doesn't talk?
I do not doubt that many people who work with animals and especially horses believe they communicate telepathically with them. I believe however that they have come to learn about the way horses think which gives them an insight into their motives. I don't believe there is anything paranormal going on.