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Interspecies Telepathic Communication

I tried clicking on their link labeled "code of ethics". It would not load. Is it just me?

This is the sort of place that just makes me want to:brk:
 
Oh, this is priceless....

From Karen Craft (Animal Shaman!)'s about me section:

Up until ten years ago, I lived a mundane, "normal" existence until a chain of "coincidences" took me to a psycho/spiritual retreat where I was introduced to integrative breathwork. The concept is to use breathwork to facilitate the integration of mind, body and soul. Gradually, a new vision of the Universe began to open up for me and I began the quest to discover my true self and my life purpose; I knew animals played a critical role in that purpose.

Bolding is mine.
 
"I first learned about interspecies communication when I broke my ankle in five places. I was laying in bed in a great amount of pain when I heard, "I know we come from different cultures, and maybe you don't think I can help you, but if you'll just pet me, I will take away your pain." I heard these words in my head as clearly as someone speaking to me. I opened my eyes to find my angel cat, Kisa, on my pillow and looking right at me. I knew it was her. I did pet her and my pain did go away! I slept comfortably for the first time since the accident. "

From the main page. Kisa thinks in English then? I find it astounding that pet psychics have to ask the animal's name. Presumably psychic owners don't name their pets at all. The pet will tell them their real name, surely?
 
I don't know about interspecies telepathy but I know twin telepathy or empathy certainly exists . I know someone very well who has experienced it - my Gran .

My Gran and her twin brother were separated at birth . My Gran was adopted by her aunt . I don't really know what happened to her twin brother . She said that she was in the same class as him at school - when he got the belt she would start crying - she could feel him getting the belt , but at that point she didn't even know they were related never mind know they were twins . They never found out they were twins until they were 70 years old !
 
jambo372 said:
I don't know about interspecies telepathy but I know twin telepathy or empathy certainly exists . I know someone very well who has experienced it - my Gran .

My Gran and her twin brother were separated at birth . My Gran was adopted by her aunt . I don't really know what happened to her twin brother . She said that she was in the same class as him at school - when he got the belt she would start crying - she could feel him getting the belt , but at that point she didn't even know they were related never mind know they were twins . They never found out they were twins until they were 70 years old !

We'll take your word for it on this amazing ability which alludes science Jambo... :rolleyes:
 
jambo372 said:
I don't know about interspecies telepathy but I know twin telepathy or empathy certainly exists . I know someone very well who has experienced it - my Gran .

My Gran and her twin brother were separated at birth . My Gran was adopted by her aunt . I don't really know what happened to her twin brother . She said that she was in the same class as him at school - when he got the belt she would start crying - she could feel him getting the belt , but at that point she didn't even know they were related never mind know they were twins . They never found out they were twins until they were 70 years old !

Empathy certainly exists and you don't have to be related to feel it.
I am an identical twin. In 54 years I can honestly say I have never felt any "connection" with my brother and neither has he from me. The normal suggestion is that if one twin goes through a trauma the other will feel it. Nope. Sorry. And I've been close to death a number of times, so you would think it would have happened by now. Nada.
Your Gran, I'm sure, is a very empathic, caring person which may explain a lot.
It's an amazing story, by the way! You don't say whether your Gran is still with us, but if she is, please give her my very best wishes!
 
Yes , thankfully she is still with us but her brother died a few years ago .
 
jambo372 said:
I don't know about interspecies telepathy but I know twin telepathy or empathy certainly exists . I know someone very well who has experienced it - my Gran .

My Gran and her twin brother were separated at birth . My Gran was adopted by her aunt . I don't really know what happened to her twin brother . She said that she was in the same class as him at school - when he got the belt she would start crying - she could feel him getting the belt , but at that point she didn't even know they were related never mind know they were twins . They never found out they were twins until they were 70 years old !

Does your Gran believe in all the strange things you do?

Does she tell you a lot of paranormal tales?

Is your whole family involved in spritualism? Do they frequent mediums and spiritualist churches?

This might help us understand where you are coming from. At the moment it looks like you believe in just about every every supernatural event you hear about, except for UFO's. Where did these strange beliefs come from? You seem to have 'studied' some of the historical cases. Why were you interested?

I'm not being flippant, jambo. Your answers could help us understand the different learning systems that affect believers and sceptics. Remember that many of us here were previously believers in some of the things you believe in. And, unlike some believers, you have not resorted to abuse. If you can discuss these matters calmly, we might all learn something.
 
tim said:
Empathy certainly exists and you don't have to be related to feel it.
I am an identical twin.

WOW!! Lucky you. Do you therefore have identical personalities? If not then why not?
 
No - my whole family isn't into the paranormal - neither is my Gran although she does have a sister who's a Medium , but I don't think she really believes in what her sister says . I do attend spiritualist churches often though . I have always had a streak of belief in spirit witthin me - I used to frighten my Mum telling her there were people in my room , then one night this person appeared to me . I had wanted to go to a Spiritualist Church for a long time , then one night I decided to go just to see what it was like - the Medium was Ina Brown ( mentioned above ),at first I was undecided about whether or not to believe - but when she spoke to me I did , since then I've not been able to stay away from the place . I first became interested in psychokinesis when I saw a film of Nina Kulagina moving a variety of objects across a table under the observation of investigators . I then saw a program in which Uri Geller fixed watches just by tapping them & staring at them - a friend of mine had a broken watch , I asked them to let me see it , I tried to repeat what Geller had done - to my horror it worked . I originally believed in Geller until skeptics persuaded me of otherwise .
 
Do you therefore have identical personalities? If not then why not?
Why would you think they would have identical personalities? They obviously have separate lives with separate experiences. I don't see why anyone would think that just because they started life similar they would remain identical?
I had wanted to go to a Spiritualist Church for a long time , then one night I decided to go just to see what it was like - the Medium was Ina Brown ( mentioned above ),at first I was undecided about whether or not to believe - but when she spoke to me I did , since then I've not been able to stay away from the place .
Just out of curiosity. How old were you when you first were introduced to the paranormal?
 
Operaider said:
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Do you therefore have identical personalities? If not then why not?
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Why would you think they would have identical personalities? They obviously have separate lives with separate experiences. I don't see why anyone would think that just because they started life similar they would remain identical?

If it is not ones genetic makeup which constitutes the self, then what is it?
 
jambo372 said:
No - my whole family isn't into the paranormal - neither is my Gran although she does have a sister who's a Medium , but I don't think she really believes in what her sister says . I do attend spiritualist churches often though . I have always had a streak of belief in spirit witthin me - I used to frighten my Mum telling her there were people in my room , then one night this person appeared to me . I had wanted to go to a Spiritualist Church for a long time , then one night I decided to go just to see what it was like - the Medium was Ina Brown ( mentioned above ),at first I was undecided about whether or not to believe - but when she spoke to me I did , since then I've not been able to stay away from the place . I first became interested in psychokinesis when I saw a film of Nina Kulagina moving a variety of objects across a table under the observation of investigators . I then saw a program in which Uri Geller fixed watches just by tapping them & staring at them - a friend of mine had a broken watch , I asked them to let me see it , I tried to repeat what Geller had done - to my horror it worked . I originally believed in Geller until skeptics persuaded me of otherwise .

Thanks for being so frank about this.

It looks as if (in common with most believers) your own personal experience has had more of an effect on your beliefs than family/peer-pressure. I can fully understand how such experiences could lead you to an interest in the paranormal -- to look for explanations or answers.

Now, clearly, you don't believe that Geller has paranormal powers. You say you were disabused of this idea by skeptics. Yet you still accept Nina Kulagina as having displayed genuine psychokinesis.

Now, here is the hard part -- what in particular makes you disbelieve in Geller, but believe in Kulagina?

Would you be willing to describe the experiences you had in more detail, and would you be willing to consider alternative explanations for them? Remember, I only ask you to consider, not necessarily believe them. I do not think anyone would mock your experiences. Many here have had similar experiences that they once thought were paranormal, but decided that there were other perfectly rational explanations when these were given to them.

Then, given more options, you might still decide that the paranormal explanation suits you best. That is your right. But at least listen to the other side of the argument. as you did with the Geller issue. If you do, I doubt anyone here would fault you, if you remained convinced that your experiences point to the paranormal.

BTW, have you heard of the Psychic Barber chappie in Glasgow (I think)? He seems to be making a name for himself.
 
Interesting Ian said:
If it is not ones genetic makeup which constitutes the self, then what is it?
Operaider already said--experience. Learning.

Or, for Corey to be able to read this...your reinforcement history, along with your genetic predispositions, determines your behavioral repertoire, from which is inferred all "personality" or "self" characteristics. Since not even conjoined twins will have the exact same reinforcement history, each individual's experience is necessarily unique. Some things are shared, but some things are not. Oddly enough...when we look at "personalities", we see....some things are shared, but some things are not.

Of course, I may not have answered this for your definition of "self". I don't think I ever got a definition I could parse.
 
Mercutio said:
Operaider already said--experience. Learning.

Or, for Corey to be able to read this...your reinforcement history, along with your genetic predispositions, determines your behavioral repertoire, from which is inferred all "personality" or "self" characteristics. Since not even conjoined twins will have the exact same reinforcement history, each individual's experience is necessarily unique. Some things are shared, but some things are not. Oddly enough...when we look at "personalities", we see....some things are shared, but some things are not.

Of course, I may not have answered this for your definition of "self". I don't think I ever got a definition I could parse.

Experience or learning cannot possibly constitute the self. Whether I decide to have eggs and bacon, or porridge for breakfast, will not alter or influence my self one iota.
 
If the brains of identical twins were really identical why wouldn't they 'receive' the same mind?
 
Experience or learning cannot possibly constitute the self. Whether I decide to have eggs and bacon, or porridge for breakfast, will not alter or influence my self one iota.

Example: take someone who is overweight. To someone like that, what they ate for breakfast greatly influences their mentality. If they eat a healthy breakfast it can make them feel better about themselves, and provide a springboard for the rest of their day. That small accomplishment can mean everything to their self. Where as if they chose a plate of greasy bacon for breakfast, they can become disappointed in themselves and lethargic due to their poor diet. While this might have a lesser effect on you, it still has an effect.

Clearly even something as simple as breakfast can effect someone’s mentality. It may not have a major impact on your "self" but it will have an influence. No matter how small. Small decisions add up, and can have major influences on your life. Those influences eventually shape who you are.
 
Interesting Ian said:
Experience or learning cannot possibly constitute the self. Whether I decide to have eggs and bacon, or porridge for breakfast, will not alter or influence my self one iota.
Even if the second sentence was true, it would not show the first one to be correct. However, the self you have is created by an iterative process where past experiences influence present decisions.

Otherwise, II, in YOUR opinion, what constitutes the self? I know you beleive the self to be an immaterial entitiy acting through the physical body, but what shapes THAT entitiy? How did the immaterial or spiritual self become shaped like it is?

(Sorry for contributing to the derail, but I sense the thread is doomed to go out a tangent anyhow ;))

Hans
 

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