So what about daydreams? Often you start out thinking normal thoughts, but, without realizing it, you start thinking thoughts that are surreal. In daydreams, you may be awake, but just letting your mind drift, and it winds up going in directions you would not have predicted. Is that the other realm too?
Letting their minds roam where?
Or, those sensations can be very real.
Perhaps when you begin to interact with these other entities, and begin to wonder who's dreaming about whom? Since, come to find out, they don't behave any differently towards you, as you do towards them. If the dream was just about you, how could your mind give "equal billing" to another entity?
It means the mind is engaged in unstructured thought. I thought you would be familiar with the term. It has nothing to do with the actual movement of the mind.
The sensations might be real, but what they are sensing is not. That is why they are called hallucinations. A person can hallucinate while wide awake. So is what they are sensing in the "other dimension", or is it simply imaginary?
You would first of all have to show that those other entities exist. Since they go away when you wake up, (except for things like sleep paralysis or the kind of fugue you are in when you first wake from a dream) a sensible person would conclude that they are imaginary.
What the heck are you talking about? The characters behave in all sorts of ways in dreams. Also, in my dreams, the first person (or Point of View) jumps around quite a bit. Sometimes I'm one character in a dream, but then I take over another character. In my lucid dreams, I can control multiple characters (especially nice if it is a sexy dream). That would indicate that they come from my mind, not some external dimension. It would also suggest that dreams are very similar to imagination, just less structured, which would make sense when you consider that sleep is the time when your brain is resting.
They are all just characters in the play that my mind is making up. I may be any one of them or all of them. And they drift in and out of the story. Often, they change. They have no consistancy because they are not "entities".
And would the sensible person conclude that they were just an imaginary part of the dream as well? Yep, Tricky, you are just a fiction in your own mind.
Or, if not, please delineate between what is sensible and fictional.
Yes, my character(s) in the dream are fictional too. Sometimes I have superpowers (flying is the usual one). Sometimes I die. Sometimes I'm making love to a gorgeous actress. Sometimes I'm a woman myself. Since none of these things have happened while I am awake, I would conclude that they are fictional. Even in the very rare dream where things are somewhat "normal", I do not for an instant believe that they are real.
No, I just close my eyes and become aware of the movement in my mind, of which there is a significant amount, specifically how it's tied to the way I think and feel ... from which it all seems to be derived. While it's funny, that when I'm looking at it, it "knows" that I'm looking at it, as if I and it were distinctly separate. Neither do I attempt to peer into the "spiritual world" at this point, albeit I have attempted to do so on numerous occasions, because it's too disruptive. My (physical) mind is not capable of handling all the parameters -- in accord with what I think and feel that is -- since it is in such a dynamic state of flux and involves "other" entities. My physical mind is too crude and can't accomodate it all.
They share the same continuum with you at "the moment," but are soon drawn away towards other interests ... more specific to their own. Hence the scenery changes and you find yourself amidst "new" players.
What are some of the parameters of the spirit world?
You are saying they are under their own control? Why is it that I can sometimes command their actions? Do they read minds too? I'm sure not shouting out directions.
You, that part which is sentient that is, are a configuration of energy at this point, and find yourself interacting with other energy configurations. This is why I say it's in a dynamic state of flux and more subject to change/interpretation.
Yet it is "you," who is right in the midst of this imaginary experience. As if to say, "you" are not real either? What else are we to conclude?
No, you're the one who seems to be having the difficulty here.
Yes, but who or, what are you in relation to them ... is all I'm asking?
Yes, and you are a figment of the very imagination you try to dismiss!
You realize, of course, that what you have just written is gibberish. Admittedly, much of religion is gibberish, but this is particularly rambling gibberish.
No, it is not me. It is a character created by my mind. I am real and behave like a real person. They are imaginary and behave like imaginary persons/creatures/items. That is what I conclude. I suspect most people would conclude something similar. You seem to be one of the few here who concludes that what you experience in your dreams is real.
I am having difficulty making sense out of your gibberish. I don't have any difficulty separating dreams from reality.
I know what imagination is so I am not in any way trying to dismiss it. You apparently do not understand that imagination is not real.Yes, and you are a figment of the very imagination you try to dismiss!
WTF is that?Not being a fictional character myself, I'm not really related.
I once had a dream with this fictional character in it for no apparent reason (other than I'd seen her on some random TV show earlier):
Now according to you, this person is real because she appeared in a dream. I would argue she's a friggin' DRAWING and therefore not a person, based on the following evidence:
1.) Unrealistic body proportions
2.) Extraneous body parts not found on human beings
3.) Smoothness of coloration and shading made impossible by the existence of 3D objects and textures
4.) Clearly definied lines indicative of pencil or pen use
