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Intelligent Design

Taffer said:
I don't see any such evidence. I believe I exist, yes, but I cannot be 100% certain.
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What I'm telling you, is that I can't prove anything to you, that you can't prove to yourself. It has little or nothing to do with me.
 
Is anyone here suggesting that the Universe can exist without a backdrop? If so, then can you please tell us how something can come from nothing?
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What if the universe is the backdrop? Can god exists without a backdrop? Can you explain to me how a god could have always existed and yet the universe had a begining? What was god doing before he created the universe? How long was he doing it before he created it?

No, the answer lies in your ability to ask questions.
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Typical non-commital dodge. Got no cajones, eh Iaachus?
 
Taffer said:
To convince others of your point of view. However, you have just said you cannot provide any evidence to anyone else, so why are you even bothering?
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No, the "convincing" lies within you. So, why do you bother to "argue" with me? Or, could it be that you're really arguing with yourself? We all have to validate our own reasons for being here you see.
 
uruk said:
What if the universe is the backdrop? Can god exists without a backdrop? Can you explain to me how a god could have always existed and yet the universe had a begining? What was god doing before he created the universe? How long was he doing it before he created it?
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So, who planted the Universal seed then? And what nourished it and caused it to flourish?
 
Iacchus said:
No, the "convincing" lies within you. So, why do you bother to "argue" with me? Or, could it be that you're really arguing with yourself? We all have to validate our own reasons for being here you see.
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We argue because you use false logic and no evidence. We are pointing out why your 'philosophy' is wrong.

As to why I am here? Chance.
 
Iacchus said:
So, who planted the Universal seed then? And what nourished it and caused it to flourish?
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This is a loaded question. You assume a 'who'. A better question should be, "why did the universe begin". To which the answer is "we can never know".
 
A complete shambles

Teaching intelligent design in the science class room is in my opinion a recipe for a complete shambles. What next will they attempt to intruduce? Poetry in to the science class room? woodworking!. It will just end up as there being no time to teach real science any more.

Just one more thing, I have just found an interesting article, here
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Iacchus said:
Is anyone here suggesting that the Universe can exist without a backdrop?
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Does the backdrop exist without a backdrop? If so then why can't the Universe exist without a backdrop? If not then it must be backdrops all the way down.
If so, then can you please tell us how something can come from nothing?
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Again you are assuming a unversal verity on the basis of its plausibility to you. But there is no reason to assume that existence will be predictable and intuitive no matter how deep you go into it. Something may be able to come from nothing, I don't really know one way or the other, and neither do you.

But there are two cases (leaving out backdrops all the way down). The fact that anything exists means that either at least one thing came from nothing, or at least one thing has a steady state existence. Neither case implies nor rules out a creator.
 
Robin said:
Does the backdrop exist without a backdrop? If so then why can't the Universe exist without a backdrop? If not then it must be backdrops all the way down.
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If I am correct, a backdrop has always existed ... prior to the Big Bang that is.

Again you are assuming a unversal verity on the basis of its plausibility to you. But there is no reason to assume that existence will be predictable and intuitive no matter how deep you go into it. Something may be able to come from nothing, I don't really know one way or the other, and neither do you.
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Well, if you're not sure whether something can come from nothing or not, I would suggest you go ask Merc. ;)

But there are two cases (leaving out backdrops all the way down). The fact that anything exists means that either at least one thing came from nothing, or at least one thing has a steady state existence. Neither case implies nor rules out a creator.
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Except if that one thing has always existed, it would have contain the potential for all things, thus making it irreducibly complex. Therefore suggesting it was all "pre-planned." Surely this would be a sign of intelligence and all-knowing would it not?
 
Iacchus said:
What, coming from someone who is uncertain what happened before the Big Bang? Whatever you say.
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Nobody knows what happened before the Big Bang. This is because there is no way of knowing what happened before the Big Bang. Anything "before" the Big Bang is not within our universe.

The difference between you and almost everyone else on the forum is that you claim that you do know.
 
Iacchus said:
No, the answer lies in your ability to ask questions.
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Cotigo ergo sum? THAT'S your proof of a creator? Iacchus, I think I asked for empirical data, not inferred data. So far all you have returned with is inference and ancedote. If you cannot point to a "Burning Bush" and say "There's your proof" please stop saying that you have some, because what you have is a personal experience that you have attributed meaning to, aka anecdotal evidence.
 
Iacchus said:
No, the "convincing" lies within you. So, why do you bother to "argue" with me? Or, could it be that you're really arguing with yourself? We all have to validate our own reasons for being here you see.
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Iacchus, how worn down is your quotation mark key on your keyboard?

You "realize" that "putting" quotes around "everything" adds nothing to your "arguments".

Note: I put quotes around "arguments" with tongue completely dislodged from my cheek.
 
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