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Intelligent Design

.13. said:
As I recall it you have been saying it's the spiritual world or a deity that exists beyond time and space. That's completely different from saying there's "something" that exists beyond time and space.
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Hey, there's either something there or there isn't. :con2:

And Belz, I'd appreciate if you could give your sources. I'd be interested to read more about that "something" and those quantum fluctuations. Thanks.
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Oh, did you mean that "something" that could not conceivably come from nothing? Please ...
 
Taffer said:
Only you make the claim that something came from nothing, Iacchus.
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Not completely true. He claims that others believe something came from nothing. Of course, his definition of "nothing" is "a kind of something".

This is not his belief. It is his strawman.
 
Iacchus said:
And you are out of your freakin' mind!
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Nonsense, Iacchus. There very well be 'something' 'outside' the universe that started it, but since there is (to us) no 'outside' of the universe, we have absolutely no way of knowing its nature. It could be God. It could be quantum. It could be a giant turd. We do not, and can not, ever know. Ever.
 
I think that this is the point that I made rather clearly.

Spending time contemplating what 'exists' (loosely) outside the universe is sort of like contemplating your navel. It has no purpose, it can provide no answers, nothing can be known of nothing (in that extra-universal sense, I mean). ;)

These types of meanderings are as useless as 'what if' scenarios. What if John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, and Elvis Presley were still alive? What if Adolf Hitler were never born? Etc. Fun at parties when creating conversation after downing several or philosophical masturbation, but that's about the extent of it.
 
kuroyume0161 said:
Spending time contemplating what 'exists' (loosely) outside the universe is sort of like contemplating your navel. It has no purpose, it can provide no answers, nothing can be known of nothing (in that extra-universal sense, I mean). ;)
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Well, if they become testable hypotheses, I say it's worth it.

These types of meanderings are as useless as 'what if' scenarios. What if John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, and Elvis Presley were still alive? What if Adolf Hitler were never born? Etc. Fun at parties when creating conversation after downing several or philosophical masturbation, but that's about the extent of it.
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ELVIS IS ALIVE!!!!
 
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