Intelligent (BAD) design.

[a_unique_person]

The birth canal, what a stuff up, and the ankle. Less deaths due to the ankle not working right, though.

 

[Ossai]

Piggy
Damn I had that conversation with someone at work earlier this week.

T'ai Chi

Nope.

Saying that it probably ain't as "bad" as you believe it to be.

Give it 20 years and come back and say that.

Short list of Bad Design
1. Human knees
2. Human appendix
3. Human eye
4. Human male prostrate gland (placement)
5. Human urinary tract placement
6. Human ankle
7. Human spine and back (specifically the lower back)

Ossai

 

[Genesius]

The sin of Man is the cause of all evil and mis-shapen things which have entered the world since Eden.

Since no one has seen fit to insert the obligatory Python reference:

All things dull and ugly
All creatures short and squat
All things rude and nasty,
The lord god made the lot.

Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings.
He made their brutish venom,
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small
All things foul and dangerous
The lord god made them all.

Each nasty little hornet
Each beastly little squid
Who made the spiky urchin
Who made the shocks... he did.

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small.
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The lord god made them all.

Amen.

 

[CapelDodger]

In other species we are less shy to “build it”, making mice that glow with fluorescent protein and such… Non-glowing mice, now there’s a bad design.

You, sir, are a stooge of the Cat Conspiracy!

 

[Mojo]

The foreskin! That was obviously a mistake. Genesis 17:10-11:

"Sorry, Abraham, that bit shouldn't have been there. You'll have to cut it off yourself."

 

[T'ai Chi]

no intelligent designer would put a recreational area so very close to a waste output, surely.

Where would you suggest putting it?

To critique things as bad, you must have some idea of what good would be.

 

[ambergeekgirl]

Um, this might be a little inappropriate but as a female I feel it must be mentioned. When god designed men he forgot to add a little attachment to his manhood to um... well, "hit the clit" so to speak. Thus, not intelligently designed.

Can I get an amen ladies?

 

[Piggy]

To critique things as bad, you must have some idea of what good would be.

<sigh>
Good would be:

Pigs without curved tusks allowed grow for a lifetime so they eventually penetrate their skulls and cause them to die of infection. Tusks that stop growing and/or grow straight would be preferable.

Human spines which seem designed purposely for upright walking, not cobbled together from leftovers so they're notoriously prone to pain and damage.

Cells that are not prone to runaway growth in the form of cancer, which leads to painful death.

An ecosystem of exclusively positively symbiotic species, and no Guinea worms, for example, which burrow out of ones flesh, or tapeworms that can reproduce to the extent that they choke children from the inside, or wee beasties that cause horrible deaths by diarrhea, dysentery, plague, influenza, and the like.

Unbreakable bones would be keen.

Or how about a neural system that stops pain when it's no longer useful. I know some folks with cancer who would find that "good".

But really, it's a stupid question, TC. Why even ask it? Are you really claiming that there's nothing bad in the world?

 

[CFLarsen]

But really, it's a stupid question, TC. Why even ask it? Are you really claiming that there's nothing bad in the world?

I can't wait to hear his answer.

 

[T'ai Chi]

(snip)

Nope, never said that I believe there are no hardships in the world. I just don't have the insight to know how to have created things to avoid hardships as you seem to believe you do.

I've read that the problem of pain has a simple solution; if there were no pain, how would we know when we're getting hurt, and how could one love?

 

[Pyrrho]

The questions, "If there is an intelligent designer, why did the intelligent designer do so poorly," or "If God is the intelligent designer, why are we imperfectly designed," fits with the religious doctrine of the fall of man. Common belief among certain Christian sects is that man, and the world, existed in perfection prior to "Original Sin", the fall of Adam and Eve. At that point, or so the belief goes, imperfection, pain, violence, and death were introduced because sin was introduced.

Imagine the questions asked at the K-12 level, and imagine the answers. ID neatly introduces an opening for discussions of why "imperfection" exists in the world. Certain Christians already have dogmatic answers from their religious doctrines.

Evolution, thankfully, does not require a person to believe in myths.

 

[Coralius]

Imagine the questions asked at the K-12 level, and imagine the answers. ID neatly introduces an opening for discussions of why "imperfection" exists in the world. Certain Christians already have dogmatic answers from their religious doctrines.

Not to mention the emotional tug. Most school age children lose at least one loved one in their 13 years. A discussion of "imperfections" can lead quite naturally into consoling about grandma dying but it still being okay "because she's in a better place now." Ugh...

BTW, first post! Woo hoo!

 

[Moochie]

A second "What the Bleep" (ID 2?) movie has just opened in a Melbourne, Australia cinema.

M.

 

[H3LL]

Um, this might be a little inappropriate but as a female I feel it must be mentioned. When god designed men he forgot to add a little attachment to his manhood to um... well, "hit the clit" so to speak. Thus, not intelligently designed.

Can I get an amen ladies?

Isn't that bad design in women?


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[Piggy]

Ok, gotcha. You're either not reading the posts word-for-word, or you're deliberately misunderstanding them, or you do understand them and are ignoring them, or you have a comprehension problem.

I just don't have the insight to know how to have created things to avoid hardships as you seem to believe you do.

So what? Unless you're claiming that God can't do any better than people, that's irrelevant, which has been pointed out before, but which you choose to ignore.

I've read that the problem of pain has a simple solution; if there were no pain, how would we know when we're getting hurt, and how could one love?

That is not a valid response to what was posted. The posted dilemma was the existence of pain which does not stop when its mission is accomplished. God -- being omnipotent and not limited to what you and I can do -- could have designed pain so that it stops when it no longer serves a purpose (e.g., the agony of terminal cancer).

Furthermore...

<Piggy is interrupted by his wife, who tells him of a dream she had, and warns him not to meddle with TC.>

<Piggy washes his hands.>

 

[T'ai Chi]

Short list of Bad Design
1. Human knees
2. Human appendix
3. Human eye
4. Human male prostrate gland (placement)
5. Human urinary tract placement
6. Human ankle
7. Human spine and back (specifically the lower back)

Those don't seem bad designs at all.

You are acknowledging them as "design" though. Interesting.

 

[Complexity]

Troll.

 

[Dragonrock]

Those don't seem bad designs at all.

Yes, they are.

You are acknowledging them as "design" though. Interesting.

No, he didn't.

 

[Ossai]

T'ai Chi

Those don't seem bad designs at all.

You’re ignorance speaking again.

You are acknowledging them as "design" though. Interesting.

I’m not acknowledging them as design, I’m playing along with your delusion in an attempt to illustrate that if those things are designed, instead of being cobbled together from what was available, they’re badly designed.

Ossai

 

[Genesius]

Those don't seem bad designs at all.

My high school human phys teacher described the human knee thusly: take a stilt, saw it in half in the middle, and then use 11 rubber bands to hold the cut ends together.

Does that strike you as good design?