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Intelligence official say U.S. has retrieved craft of non-human origin

JayUtah said:
They refer to a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmentalized Information Facility), an architectural feature where secure information (generally classified information) is stored and where discussion of such materials can proceed in confidence. We have one at work. You surrender your electronic devices, which are locked in a Faraday cage locker just outside, and all electronic and computer networking provisions for that room are subject to struct isolation protocols.

And yes, I really do hope they call his bluff. Sadly I think this was just a joint dog and pony show.
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I was thinking the SCIF could also be a skiff. You know, a small boat the Big Bad uses to take people who ask too many questions out on in order to reveal that he's helping ET take over the world before killing them and dumping their bodies in the middle of his private lake.
 
Notice how this sort of disappeared (from the news cycle) with no follow-up?

I guess he didn't actually have anything more to say in the SCIF?
 
Puppycow said:
Notice how this sort of disappeared (from the news cycle) with no follow-up?

I guess he didn't actually have anything more to say in the SCIF?
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The dog-and-pony show fulfilled its objectives for all involved.

For the UFO enthusiasts, it provided on-record, almost-but-not-quite firsthand testimony that the government possesses recovered alien technology. They literally don't care that the actual evidence—which was ever only alluded to and never produced—is still secret. They have it on "highly credible testimony" that it exists and that skeptics will never get to see and debunk it.

The UFO grifters get a shot in the arm by being able to say that Congress took them seriously, so please keep attending their panels and conventions and paying top dollar for autographs and appearances. The last thing any of these actors want is for evidence to actually be presented (even under seal), examined, and verified. They don't want evidence of aliens to be widely accepted by the mainstream because their entire existence is predicated on their being a minority crusading against the evil Establishment. As soon as it's generally accepted that aliens have visited Earth, they lose their special status among their followers. They become just another voice in the majority and therefore not special anymore. Then they have to go out and get real jobs.

The few Congresspersons who have a stake in UFOs get the semblance of credibility. Without much exception, any member of Congress can hold hearings on any subject for any reason. "Investigations" by Congress as the fact-finding component of its legislative mission has grown to encompass quite a lot of time wasting. As we first pointed out, some members of Congress have wealthy donors who believe in UFOs, and in return these Congress members have thrown them lucrative no-bid contracts to "study" or otherwise capitalize on the phenomenon.

"Highly credible witnesses" testifying under oath that they know of people who have seen, handled, and worked on recovered alien technology helps silence those who would criticize this grift. Again, it doesn't matter that the evidence almost certainly does not actually exist and dubious that claims that it does—but is too highly classified to present—will almost certainly go uninvestigated, unverified, and unpunished. The Congresspersons involved can say to their critics, "See, we have testimonial evidence that alien artifacts exist, but the rest is classified above your pay grades."

There are a number of SCIFs in the Capitol complex. It would not have been even the slightest bit inconvenient for a select committee to announce it is going into executive session in a SCIF and receive classified testimony right then and there.
 
Wait... that's one post indicating that the SCIF testimony did happen, and then another one indicating that it didn't...
 
What am I missing? What post suggests there was testimony in a SCIF? To my knowledge, no SCIF session occurred.

ETA: I take it you mean this statement :—

Puppycow said:
I guess he didn't actually have anything more to say in the SCIF?
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I parsed it as, "I guess he didn't actually have anything more to say, which would have required going into the SCIF."
 
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This comes from the NY Post's Greenstreet today:

A small sampling of
@TheHill
's UFO mania.

The Hill is owned by Nexstar, the same company that owns
NewsNation, America's UFO news channel.

Nexstar also owns Mystery Wire, run by
@G_Knapp- a UFO celebrity and friend of "UFO whistleblower" David Grusch.

Bit odd innit?
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Never saw this coming. I expect this from left-wing, New Age-types, but conservatives?

This is mental illness.
 
Delvo said:
Wait... that's one post indicating that the SCIF testimony did happen, and then another one indicating that it didn't...
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JayUtah said:
What am I missing? What post suggests there was testimony in a SCIF? To my knowledge, no SCIF session occurred.
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To be clear, I am not aware that there has been any additional testimony presented in a SCIF. If it has happened, I didn't see it reported, not that I'm following every scrap of news about this.

In the public testimony Grusch responded to certain questions by saying that he couldn't answer them in public, but I believe that he said he could answer them in a SCIF.

Whether that actually happened or not, or whether arrangements have been made for it to happen, I don't know. And if it did happen, would the public even be made aware of that fact?
 
Axxman300 said:
Never saw this coming. I expect this from left-wing, New Age-types, but conservatives?
This is mental illness.
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Curious. I assume that you are aware of such phenomena as Q-Anon and the belief that the 2020 election was stolen from Trump by people like Mike Pence and Bill Barr, Brian Kemp and Brad Raffensperger?
 
Puppycow said:
In the public testimony Grusch responded to certain questions by saying that he couldn't answer them in public, but I believe that he said he could answer them in a SCIF.
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Another thing: Under what grounds is this stuff considered "classified" to begin with? Does he seriously believe that he could get in trouble for giving a direct answer to a member of congress? Has anything like that ever happened? And who could "declassify" his answers?
 
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One of the most closely kept secrets that even Presidents don’t have access to, but one day they thought, "Let’s get that bloke who bends spoons on the telly in to see the alien freezer”
 
Andy_Ross said:
One of the most closely kept secrets that even Presidents don’t have access to, but one day they thought, "Let’s get that bloke who bends spoons on the telly in to see the alien freezer”
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Apparently some of the bright bulbs at the CIA were convinced by Geller and also concerned that the Soviets had their own people with paranormal abilities too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-proclaimed-psychic-had-paranormal-abilities/

I'm sure that the part about them taking him to see dead aliens is a tall tale; an embellishment that Geller knows he can get away with. Just goes to show that even "intelligence officials" can be fooled by a good huckster. They can be just as gullible as other people.
 
Can anybody explain why it is not possible to ask one of these prevaricators under oath, "Who told you that?" And then go and subpoena that individual and ask him, "Whats' up?"

Rise and repeat as necessary.

Maybe the trail would eventually lead to the guy who told the original joke? :boggled:
 
Andy_Ross said:
Uri Geller says it's all true. He was taken to a secret NASA storage facility by Werner Von Brown and Edgar Mitchel. CIA scientists were also with them. He was shown the bodies of aliens in cold storage.
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Having corresponded extensively with Mitchell, including the sources of Mitchell's belief in UFOs, I can confidently say this is a bald-faced lie.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Uri Geller says it's all true. He was taken to a secret NASA storage facility by Werner Von Brown and Edgar Mitchel. CIA scientists were also with them. He was shown the bodies of aliens in cold storage.

It was 3 floors down and they had to wear arctic coats and
"When I saw the bodies I almost fainted"

https://twitter.com/theurigeller/status/1691087460401397760?t=JwqErk6AH2ND7o2swbUuMQ&s=19
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To think that he has seen aliens and, yet for decades, he made his name bending spoons. He seems to have buried the lede, so to speak.

In fact, it’s curious how many of these UFO people talk about all kinds of psychic and supernatural phenomena, and then follow up much later with “oh yeah and alien bodies!”
 
Puppycow said:
In the public testimony Grusch responded to certain questions by saying that he couldn't answer them in public, but I believe that he said he could answer them in a SCIF.

Whether that actually happened or not, or whether arrangements have been made for it to happen, I don't know. And if it did happen, would the public even be made aware of that fact?
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And the rejoinder is that the Capitol is full of SCIFs. Had there been any actual interest in obtaining evidence, Grusch's testimony could have resumed in executive session in a SCIF with minimal effort. And yes, when hearings go into executive session, a record is still kept. The public knows it happened, even though they generally can't know what happened. Grusch's classified testimony would have been recorded, but anyone with appropriate clearance could read it.

More importantly, invited witnesses generally don't just show up to the hearing without previous private discussion and negotiation. In the normal course of events, Grusch would have known that he would be asked questions that allegedly had classified answer. Arrangements could have been made in advanced for part of the testimony to take place with appropriate safeguards.

This is how we know it's just a dog-and-pony show.
 
Puppycow said:
Just goes to show that even "intelligence officials" can be fooled by a good huckster. They can be just as gullible as other people.
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You are aware that you are talking about highly trained individuals who are experts in evaluating witness testimonies? :dl:
 
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