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Merged Instinct & Immunity? / Innate immunity?

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Hello,

On ongoing discussions in Evolution:facts topic, it has been popped up:-

"Instinct or innate behavior is the inherent inclination of a living organism toward a particular behavior."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instinct

INNATE IMMUNITY

Innate, or nonspecific, immunity is the defense system with which you were born. It protects you against all antigens. Innate immunity involves barriers that keep harmful materials from entering your body. These barriers form the first line of defense in the immune response. Examples of innate immunity include:

•Cough reflex
•Enzymes in tears and skin oils
•Mucus, which traps bacteria and small particles
•Skin
•Stomach acid
Innate immunity also comes in a protein chemical form, called innate humoral immunity. Examples include the body's complement system and substances called interferon and interleukin-1 (which causes fever).

If an antigen gets past these barriers, it is attacked and destroyed by other parts of the immune system.

ACQUIRED IMMUNITY

Acquired immunity is immunity that develops with exposure to various antigens. Your immune system builds a defense that is specific to that antigen.

PASSIVE IMMUNITY

Passive immunity is due to antibodies that are produced in a body other than your own. Infants have passive immunity because they are born with antibodies that are transferred through the placenta from their mother. These antibodies disappear between 6 and 12 months of age.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000821.htm
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It will be more productive to relate Instinct with Immune response.

Does it suggest that innate immunity is linked to Instincts & other immunities to Learned behaviour? If so, whether we are losing or gaining innate immunity(esp.barriers or first line of defence )on loosing & gaining of our Instincts in favour of Learned behaviour?

Likewise, we can also think that if we loose or gain Acquired Immunity in loosing & gaining of Learned behaviour?

Best wishes.
 
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Kumar said:
Hello,

On ongoing discussions in Evolution:facts topic, it has been popped up:-



It will be more productive to relate Instinct with Immune response.

Does it suggest that innate immunity is linked to Instincts & other immunities to Learned behaviour? If so, whether we are losing or gaining innate immunity(esp.barriers or first line of defence )on loosing & gaining of our Instincts in favour of Learned behaviour?

Likewise, we can also think that if we loose or gain Acquired Immunity in loosing & gaining of Learned behaviour?

Best wishes.
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What nonsense you talk. Instinct and behaviour have nothing to do with the immune sytstem. Avoiding something like dirty water, spoiled food or sick persons out of common sense or disgust may prevent infection by stopping exposure NOT by immune activation. Stress may have a (likely minor) influence on the immune response
 
If you can understand any of these words (and the evidence from your's above is that you cannot): You have interpreted the Wiki information (which, by the by, makes a very misleading statement unintentionally*) very incorrectly and this is not Wiki's fault - it rests squarely on you. Wiki does NOT in any way suggest that the immune system has any intelligence nor that the immune system learns anything. The immune system goes through a series of responses to incoming chemicals (bacterial/virus/related) to ward off/try to ward off their effects that trigger the immune response in the first place (sometimes harming/killing the body as the response may be far worse than the initiating material)

You truly need to take courses in (based on your apparent interests and your appallingly low understanding of) physics, physiology, chemistry (especially Avogadro's number, moles/molarity and their meaning and application to homepathetic "medicine" ) and biology. Even at only a high school level these would quickly change the errors in your thinking (unless, of course, you actually know better and are nothing but a time wastin troll). I do you the courtesy of not yet assuming that, but your ignorance is obvious in the fields I have seen you write on so far and the conclusions for which you have no evidence or reasons to grasp at yet do anyway.

Best, fuelair






*The misleading one implies that the born with system (Innate Immunity) protects you fully from all infectious outside agents. This is patently untrue - if you intake sufficient cholera bacteria in any contaminated material, you will die unless treated by proper medication very swiftly - same for many other diseases.
 
fuelair said:
If you can understand any of these words (and the evidence from your's above is that you cannot): You have interpreted the Wiki information (which, by the by, makes a very misleading statement unintentionally*) very incorrectly and this is not Wiki's fault - it rests squarely on you. Wiki does NOT in any way suggest that the immune system has any intelligence nor that the immune system learns anything. The immune system goes through a series of responses to incoming chemicals (bacterial/virus/related) to ward off/try to ward off their effects that trigger the immune response in the first place (sometimes harming/killing the body as the response may be far worse than the initiating material)

You truly need to take courses in (based on your apparent interests and your appallingly low understanding of) physics, physiology, chemistry (especially Avogadro's number, moles/molarity and their meaning and application to homepathetic "medicine" ) and biology. Even at only a high school level these would quickly change the errors in your thinking (unless, of course, you actually know better and are nothing but a time wastin troll). I do you the courtesy of not yet assuming that, but your ignorance is obvious in the fields I have seen you write on so far and the conclusions for which you have no evidence or reasons to grasp at yet do anyway.

Best, fuelair






*The misleading one implies that the born with system (Innate Immunity) protects you fully from all infectious outside agents. This is patently untrue - if you intake sufficient cholera bacteria in any contaminated material, you will die unless treated by proper medication very swiftly - same for many other diseases.
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Actually, for the specific example of cholera, medication is generally unnecessary. Proper fluid/electrolyte replacement is usually enough for recovery although abx are used to abbreviate the diarrhoea and eliminate carriage of the bacteria
 
Tracy Dalziel said:
What nonsense you talk. Instinct and behaviour have nothing to do with the immune sytstem. Avoiding something like dirty water, spoiled food or sick persons out of common sense or disgust may prevent infection by stopping exposure NOT by immune activation. Stress may have a (likely minor) influence on the immune response
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Instinct is innate behaviour. Innate immunity esp. acid, base,water(mucus) or first line defence mechanisms can be natural so should be effected by natural behaviour i.e. instinct.
 
Kumar said:
Instinct is innate behaviour. Innate immunity esp. acid, base,water(mucus) or first line defence mechanisms can be natural so should be effected by natural behaviour i.e. instinct.
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No, because the immune response is not a behaviour.
 
fuelair said:
If you can understand any of these words (and the evidence from your's above is that you cannot): You have interpreted the Wiki information (which, by the by, makes a very misleading statement unintentionally*) very incorrectly and this is not Wiki's fault - it rests squarely on you. Wiki does NOT in any way suggest that the immune system has any intelligence nor that the immune system learns anything. The immune system goes through a series of responses to incoming chemicals (bacterial/virus/related) to ward off/try to ward off their effects that trigger the immune response in the first place (sometimes harming/killing the body as the response may be far worse than the initiating material)

You truly need to take courses in (based on your apparent interests and your appallingly low understanding of) physics, physiology, chemistry (especially Avogadro's number, moles/molarity and their meaning and application to homepathetic "medicine" ) and biology. Even at only a high school level these would quickly change the errors in your thinking (unless, of course, you actually know better and are nothing but a time wastin troll). I do you the courtesy of not yet assuming that, but your ignorance is obvious in the fields I have seen you write on so far and the conclusions for which you have no evidence or reasons to grasp at yet do anyway.

Best, fuelair






*The misleading one implies that the born with system (Innate Immunity) protects you fully from all infectious outside agents. This is patently untrue - if you intake sufficient cholera bacteria in any contaminated material, you will die unless treated by proper medication very swiftly - same for many other diseases.
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You are forgetting first line defence, which is part of innate immunity. Instict is also natural behaviour. Our acid base & water(mucus) balance should be effected by any odd behaviour. So if our natural behaviour change, these being environmental factors should also chane.
 
Kumar said:
Instinct is innate behaviour. Innate immunity esp. acid, base,water(mucus) or first line defence mechanisms can be natural so should be effected by natural behaviour i.e. instinct.
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Instinct is innate and governs behaviour but this has nothing to do with innate immunity. Innate immunity is simply immunity that is always ready without the need for specific priming. The immune system is not conscious and has nothing to do with instinct. If you aren't trolling and genuinely want to learn more start by taking remedial courses in science and english.
 
Kumar said:
look at my other replies.
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I've seen them. They say things like:
Tracy Dalziel said:
What nonsense you talk. Instinct and behaviour have nothing to do with the immune sytstem.
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Akhenaten said:
No, therefore you loose. P&O
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fuelair said:
If you can understand any of these words (and the evidence from your's above is that you cannot): You have interpreted the Wiki information (which, by the by, makes a very misleading statement unintentionally*) very incorrectly and this is not Wiki's fault - it rests squarely on you. Wiki does NOT in any way suggest that the immune system has any intelligence nor that the immune system learns anything.
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And:
dafydd said:
Waste of time.
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Jeff Corey said:
Kumar. Get a clue. Humans do not have instincts.
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or lost it? I don't think that we have lost all, but on one dark day we may loose & then we may just have to base on learned behaviours, machines, unnatural things.
 
Kumar, please don't wait until this thread reaches 12 pages before you tell us what primitive superstition or ancient philosophy you base these claims on. Go ahead and tell us now why you think these things. I'm not going to play guessing games with you anymore.
 
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RenaissanceBiker said:
Kumar, please don't wait until this thread reaches 12 pages before you tell us what primitive superstition or ancient philosophy you base these claims on. Go ahead and tell us now why you think these things. I'm not going to play guessing games with you anymore.
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Simply, it looks quite logical to me that when we loose nature we should also loose innate immunity.
 
Do Humans Have Instincts?

by Dr Beetle


Yes, but they are stunted, restricted and confused instincts. The instincts found in humans today offer little guidance or insight, and cannot be relied upon the way a wild animal can rely upon theirs. Instincts in humans have become something to despise, avoid or deny. They are often more harmful than useful. To repair the damage, it is important to know why instincts occur (see my page on instincts), and how they develop in humans (see below).
http://drbeetle.homestead.com/mindrules.html


Are humans wired to survive?

Hard-wired Human Survival InstinctsSo are humans wired to survive? It sure seems like it. There are many examples of hard-wired human instincts that help keep us alive. Perhaps the most obvious case is the fight-or-flight response, coined by Harvard University physiologist Walter Cannon in 1915. When humans are faced with danger or stress, a biological trigger helps us decide whether to stay and fight or get the heck out of there -- flight.
http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/survival/wilderness/wired-for-survival1.htm

Modern Humans Preserve Stone Age Instincts

We live in an urban jungle, but lurking dangers differ from those found in nature. Like Stone Age hunter-gatherers, modern people are still more capable of spotting predators and prey, instead of what can really kill us in a city.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Modern-Humans-Keep-Stone-Age-Instincts-67698.shtml
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Somewhat like above.
 
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