• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Inhumane behaviour

... maybe one day you people will grow up.
Right, and plant childish tripe like "anyone but England" in our avatars. Spare me that "maturation" process, thanks.

Did you not bother to read that the man requested the firing squad?

As I see it, American benevolence is once again demonstrated. :cool:

DR
 
The rationale behind having a non-shooter load the rifles, and for only some of the rifles being loaded with bulletted rounds is so that no shooter will know whether he fired the lethal shot or not.
This is not what is happening here. There will be five shooters. One of the shooters will fire a blank. There is an 80% chance that any one shooter will shoot a live round. Since the all shooters volunteered, why go through the procedure of one gun firing a blank?
 
This is not what is happening here. There will be five shooters. One of the shooters will fire a blank. There is an 80% chance that any one shooter will shoot a live round. Since the all shooters volunteered, why go through the procedure of one gun firing a blank?

Well, that'll teach me to read the links :rolleyes:

That is an odd thing to do, and I can't see any point to it either.
 
Good riddance to the piece of crap. It's just too bad that it took the state 25 years to be able to do it.
 
Looks like the bloodlust in parts of the USA knows no bounds.

What bloodlust? A murderer who, in a place that enforces the death penalty for murder, is being granted the traditional form of execution of his choice? (Firing squad may not be a local tradition, but it is still traditional.)

Where's the bloodlust? As far as I can tell, this is being done coldly and professionally, with allowances made for the condemned man's wishes.

If they were going to execute him by hacking him up with axes for the pleasure of an audience, or something of similar nature, your statement about bloodlust in parts of of the USA knowing no bounds might make sense. But as it stands, it doesn't.

Unbelievably, this murdering bloodlust is rewarded instead of being abhorred. The depths to which the human conscience is driven by this disgusting practice is shown by the testimony of other state murderers. From the same article.

"State murderers"? Murder is, by definition, unlawful killing. Executioners are not performing any unlawful act. Therefore they are not murderers. You're obviously attempting to distort the facts to provoke an emotional responses to the situation rather than rational considered opinions.

I've already explained why this is not bloodlust, but what's the complaint about executioners being rewarded instead of being abhorred? Would you rather have executioners be people who are willing to kill others just for the fun of it? People who don't mind being social pariahs as long as they get to kill people? Because if executioners were abhorred instead of rewarded, that's what you'd end up with. I don't see how this would improve the situation.

Shame on Utah and its barbarism and all those who will murder this man and all those who choose to take part and watch this disgusting event.

I don't see any problem with killing murderers. If I worked for a correctional center in a place that employed the death penalty and was asked to perform an execution, I'd do it. I wouldn't particularly want to do it, but I wouldn't have any particular aversion to it either. I don't consider being killed for the crime of premeditated murder as barbaric, but as simple justice.

My only real objection to the death penalty for premeditated murder is the possibility of wrongful conviction.

how can a human being act "non-human"?

Inhumane does not mean "not-human", it means "not-humane". The words humane and human are two different words with two very different meanings.

The last time in the USA we used execution by gas chamber was in 1999. Now that's gruesome!

I'm inclined to think they should have used nitrogen as the gas of choice in the gas chamber. Unlike hydrogen cyanide, it would be painless. Unlike carbon dioxide or carbon monoxide, there would be no sense of suffocating or choking. They'd simply be sitting there for a while, feel a little dizzy, then pass out from lack of oxygen. Sure, it'd take longer than the other gasses for them to asphyxiate, but if you were going to be executed regardless, it wouldn't be a bad way to go.
 
Last edited:
I don't understand the OP. The inmate is a murderer, he requested the method of execution (I am sure to make it as "disdainful" as possible because he's running out of appeals) and you're somehow outraged over that?

Spend a day with his victims' families and tell them how you really feel at the end.
Honestly, the stuff you come up with EJA, makes me wonder if you're sincere in what you post or if you really are as inhuman as you're trying to portray the state.

Monster
That's the problem with death sentence -- the way the rage of those left behind is used as a justification. I have friends who have been raped, some of them repeatedly, and I would absolutely love to see their assailants meet a cruel and horrible death. Should rape carry the death sentence, too? It's a fairly self-refuting argument, too. If the reason you want death sentence is that having a loved one killed is unbearable, you can't have death sentence, because the convicted criminal has loved ones of his/her own.

I have a question. What is the rationale behind having one of the rifles loaded with a blank?
American roulette. The person who fires a blank wins.

Seriously, though, I have absolutely no idea. Perhaps they have determined only four bullets are needed to kill him, but for some reason are using a five-man squad instead. Really, I don't know.

I have to say the idea of an execution by firing squad in the USA in the 21st century turns my stomach, irrespective of the crime committed. Not that it's any worse than other methods of execution, in fact it's probably better, but the dehumanising bloodlust expressed by both the potential executioniers and some posters in this thread are sickening.
Inclined to agree. I mean, it's one thing to support and execute death sentences, but commemorative coins?
 
Last edited:
The utter lack of recoil will pretty much tell the marksmen which one had the blank...

Despite being in law enforcement, I'm generally against capital punishment. It is inequitably meted out, does not have any discernable deterrent effect, and the consequences of a mistake are both horrific and incapable of correction.
 
The utter lack of recoil will pretty much tell the marksmen which one had the blank...

Despite being in law enforcement, I'm generally against capital punishment. It is inequitably meted out, does not have any discernable deterrent effect, and the consequences of a mistake are both horrific and incapable of correction.

I think locking them in a cell with the door welded shut and being fed through a slot in the door, would be a fine alternitave to capital punishment. 30 days after they stop eating you seal off the water and power and fill the cell with concrete. It might even be a more effective deterrent.
 
Good riddance to the piece of crap. It's just too bad that it took the state 25 years to be able to do it.

I did a little reading on this guy, his crimes, and the victims. Good riddance indeed. And, there certainly won't be any issues of recidivism with this one.
 
His posts suggest he lives in Scotland.

I have to say the idea of an execution by firing squad in the USA in the 21st century turns my stomach, irrespective of the crime committed. Not that it's any worse than other methods of execution, in fact it's probably better, but the dehumanising bloodlust expressed by both the potential executioniers and some posters in this thread are sickening.

You kind of expect this behaviour from places like Saudi Arabia, but from the USA - maybe one day you people will grow up.

Rolfe.
Is it really bloodlust? The people doing the execution don't enjoy what they are doing. The term bloodlust conjures up images of a group of goons gleefully slicing and dicing a man to death while he screams in agony. Execution is not supposed to be considered revenge it supposed to be a deterrant to cold blooded murder. The murderer who gets executed obviously had bloodlust and not the executioner who would much rather be doing something else.

Here in Georgia USA a man was convicted of kidnapping, raping and strangling an 11 year old girl to death. He was convicted in 1985 and he went through a fair trial and many appeals. He was executed by lethal injection in 2002. Am I supposed to feel sorry for him? Pardon me if I don't. I didn't jump for joy when he died but I wasn't upset either.
 
Last edited:
Inclined to agree. I mean, it's one thing to support and execute death sentences, but commemorative coins?

I agree that handing out coins for this is going too far.

ETA: Your phrasing "support and execute death sentences" is technically correct, but feels wrong to me. I guess when we're taking about death sentences, I keep thinking of the other definition of "execute".
 
Last edited:
The utter lack of recoil will pretty much tell the marksmen which one had the blank...

From what I've read, they keep calling it something other than a blank. It's supposed to give the same recoil, but obviously not shoot a bullet. Not sure how that works.
 
I think the difference is sympathy for the future victims. Some people would prefer a murderer be stopped, rather than continue their life in prison murdering other inmates and guards, or being released and murdering innocent/productive people.
Whereas some don't care how many people are murdered as long as it's not someone they care about, and as long as they're innocent.
"Three innocent women raped and murdered by a guy? Well, that's the breaks. What? You want to actually stop the guy? You inhuman monster! Life is precious!"
It lets them feel good that they "gave him another chance," and doesn't concern them that giving him that "chance" will result in numerous innocent people permanently losing their chance.
Personally I think all murder convicts should be released to the custody of the sentencing judge after release. If you're comfortable leaving your wife and children with him, then he can out. Most judges (and rich white liberals) know it's not their neighborhood the murderer will be hitting up, he'll just be killing some poor black people, so who cares, eh?
 
Last edited:
I think the difference is sympathy for the future victims. Some people would prefer a murderer be stopped, rather than continue their life in prison murdering other inmates and guards, or being released and murdering innocent/productive people.
Whereas some don't care how many people are murdered as long as it's not someone they care about, and as long as they're innocent.
"Three innocent women raped and murdered by a guy? Well, that's the breaks. What? You want to actually stop the guy? You inhuman monster! Life is precious!"
It lets them feel good that they "gave him another chance," and doesn't concern them that giving him that "chance" will result in numerous innocent people permanently losing their chance.
Personally I think all murder convicts should be released to the custody of the sentencing judge after release. If you're comfortable leaving your wife and children with him, then he can out. Most judges (and rich white liberals) know it's not their neighborhood the murderer will be hitting up, he'll just be killing some poor black people, so who cares, eh?
kenneth McDuff is an excellant example of this.
 
I have a question. What is the rationale behind having one of the rifles loaded with a blank? Since all five shooters are volunteers, they have, in advance, accepted the idea that they will put a bullet into the target.

BTW. I believe E.J. Armstrong is from the Netherlands. Why all the references to England when discussing the threads he starts?


I would think, if I was to be one of the shooters, That it would be a way for me to rationalize what I did by convincing myself that I was the one that shot the blank. . A psychological out.
 
"It was over pretty quickly," said Cheryl Worsley, a local radio reporter. "It was cleaner than I expected. It was fast. But he moved. He moved a little bit, and to some degree that bothers me."

Sigh.

Are there really still people in the 'educated west' who don't understand that a corpse can still twitch about?
 
"It was over pretty quickly," said Cheryl Worsley, a local radio reporter. "It was cleaner than I expected. It was fast. But he moved. He moved a little bit, and to some degree that bothers me."

Sigh.

Are there really still people in the 'educated west' who don't understand that a corpse can still twitch about?
He had it better than Private Slovik. He twitched around because he wasn't dead. Yet.
 

Back
Top Bottom