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Moderated Infinity!!!

Chanakya said:
Let's just say, I didn't then know all the wondrous facets of your brilliant mind and your gentle endearing personality and your inerrant dedication to truth and your complete lack of disingesnuousness, that I do now. At that time I merely thought you oddly strident.
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Uhuh... :sdl:


Chanakya said:
If tomorrow an *actual* Christian presented their *actual* weirdness here, in as "arrant" a disply of complete imperviousness to reason, and of hypocrisy, and disingenuity as well, as in that other thread; well then I guess I wouldn't mind you unloading your nonsense on them in turn, even now. I still probably wouldn't actually egg you on, though, or even ask you, not now; not even if that particular gentleman, who seems to have disappeared, were to return with a fresh load of bull.
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Norman Alexander said:
It would seem someone who is absolutely and vehement confuses "infinity" (the mathematical construct), "the infinite" (physical distance) and "the infinite" (theological concept) needs some lessons in comprehension more than anything else. Punctuating these soapbox pronunciations with a strident "QED!!", as though that settles all arguments, indicates an ongoing failure to step back and rethink in the face of actual evidence laid at their feet.

It's either a mania, or some sort of attempt at provocation... Or is it ChatGPT?
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GDon said:
It's a good question, LarryS. I can't really speak to the concepts involved, way out of my comfort zone!. AFAICT Craig seems to be saying that there are no actual infinities, so a universe existing eternally within time cannot exist, since one can't transverse an actual infinity of time. I.e. it would take an infinity to get to "now", which is impossible. So no "actual infinity". Craig's conclusion: the universe had a starting point. (I'm not saying I agree, just what I think he's saying!)

On the other hand, Craig accepts there are "potential infinities", an unending sequence where you start with a number and you can continually add one to it.

Leumas is clearly getting confused by those two different concepts. I hope he can kindly and patiently explain his point, and we can turn this thread into a productive discussion around the concept of "infinity". Leumas, lead the way! The floor is yours!
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Noted a few days ago.
 
Leumas said:
Aah... it is so nice to see you and GDon sharing the same Self-Projection... do you also believe in Imbecilic Design too and hope the DiscoveryHoodwinking Institute For Peddling Jesus would soon thwart Evolution?
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What a sadly inadequate response. You should read your own post signature, and indulge in a little self-reflection.
 
GDon said:
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Leumas is clearly getting confused by those two different concepts. I hope he can kindly and patiently explain his point, and we can turn this thread into a productive discussion around the concept of "infinity". Leumas, lead the way! The floor is yours!
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Two days and you have not responded... not to mention the previous questions 4 days ago which you also have not dared respond to...so thanks for demonstrating that you are the confused one as clearly and irrefutably demonstrated by your lack of even daring to respond...

You arrantly have no desire whatsoever to explain anything other than falsely accusing me of your own confusions.


Leumas said:
GDon said:
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Leumas is clearly getting confused by those two different concepts. I hope he can kindly and patiently explain his point, and we can turn this thread into a productive discussion around the concept of "infinity". Leumas, lead the way! The floor is yours!
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The confusion is only yours I assure you.... and any clarity you have about it is due to you self-projecting your confusion onto me.

Leumas said:
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But... do you know what a "potential infinity" is and what an "actual infinity" is and what is the difference if you think there is one and can define either?
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I asked you to explain what you think and of course you never managed to give any.... you just went on to EQUIVOCATE me with some Christians you know.

I am not confused about infinity at all... only Christian Apologists and Other theistic apologists are confused about it because of their fairy tales.

Leumas said:
... as evinced by this post... as well as

this
In defense of the Kalam Cosmological Argument, apologists such as William Lane Craig, Frank Turek, and myself will argue for the second premise (i.e that the universe had a beginning to its existence) by arguing that an actually infinite number of things are impossible.
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and this

One of the common claims which is utilized in arguments for the existence of God is that actual infinities cannot exist, implying that there cannot be an infinite regress of causal events in the history of the universe. If there cannot be such an infinite regress, then there must be some First Cause. Theologians then put forth other arguments attempting to show that this First Cause must be God. Blake Giunta, a Christian apologist,
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And this

In defense of the Kalam Cosmological Argument, apologists such as William Lane Craig, Frank Turek, and myself will argue for the second premise (i.e that the universe had a beginning to its existence) by arguing that an actually infinite number of things are impossible.
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And here have a look how wrong you are... QED!!!


And Temporal finitism

Temporal finitism is the doctrine that time is finite in the past. The philosophy of Aristotle, expressed in such works as his Physics, held that although space was finite, with only void existing beyond the outermost sphere of the heavens, time was infinite. This caused problems for mediaeval Islamic, Jewish, and Christian philosophers who, primarily creationist, were unable to reconcile the Aristotelian conception of the eternal with the Genesis creation narrative
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And there is no god infinite or otherwise... the only confusion there, is on your behalf who believes in Imbecilic Design and hopes one day the DiscoverHoodwinking Institute for Peddling Jesus will manage to bribe enough venal "scientists" to ratify its creation myth disguised as pseudo-science and thus enable them to subvert science and regress education.

And the claptrap about "potential infinite" and "actual infinite" is utter codswallop... an artifice fabricated by Christian Apologists to confound and befuddle simpletons.

There now... GDon...
GDon said:
.... The floor is yours!
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Norman Alexander said:
What a sadly inadequate response. You should read your own post signature, and indulge in a little self-reflection.
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Yes... thanks for that advice... I did some self-reflection and found out that your self-projection is arrant... but hey I thank you for noticing my signature... I wish you understood it though.
 
So... You don't have your own definition of "infinity", and you don't understand what others mean by "the infinite". You just rail against them because...someone said a word? That seems to be all we get from this wall of text.
 
Norman Alexander said:
So... You don't have your own definition of "infinity", and you don't understand what others mean by "the infinite". You just rail against them because...someone said a word? That seems to be all we get from this wall of text.
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More incessantly repeated self-projection...
 
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Norman Alexander said:
And still no answer from Samuel.
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Infinitely repeating your false claims over and over to infinity will never make them truths... but hey thanks for demonstrating your repeated incessant attempts at defending Christian Apologists... very amusing... and of course... what has become infinitely clear by now is.... QED!!!
 
Leumas said:
Infinitely repeating your false claims over and over to infinity will never make them truths... but hey thanks for demonstrating your repeated incessant attempts at defending Christian Apologists... very amusing... and of course... what has become infinitely clear by now is.... QED!!!
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Still no answers. Just a tired old trope.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Still no answers. Just a tired old trope.
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Yes... so why do you carry on and on and on repeating it over and over and over... indefatigably and incessantly all in the name of apologetics for Christian Apologists???


But hey... thanks yet again for the umpteenth time for the relentless demonstrations of... QED!!!
 
GDon said:
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Leumas is clearly getting confused by those two different concepts. I hope he can kindly and patiently explain his point, and we can turn this thread into a productive discussion around the concept of "infinity". Leumas, lead the way! The floor is yours!
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I did... but you clearly do not want to follow at all...

I already explained that it is all YOUR confusion as clearly and irrefragably demonstrated in this post from 11 days ago and this one from 5 days ago and this one from 5 days ago too and and this post from 4 days ago... and this one from 3 days ago and this one from 3 days ago too and this one also from 3 days ago and this one from 2 days ago and this one from 2 days ago also... and this one from a few hours ago

Would you care to address any of those posts which lead the way long before you falsely accused me of being confused like you clearly are.

Or can you at least explain what YOU think

Leumas said:
Yes... they do... which you and others denied that they do... so I guess thanks for proving it for yourself... despite the numerous posts in which I cited other Christian Liars for Jesus doing the same....(here and here)

But... do you know what a "potential infinity" is and what an "actual infinity" is and what is the difference if you think there is one and can define either?
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And do you agree with the Christian Apologists who assert that "actual infinity" does not exist?

And can you address these parts...

Leumas said:
There is no god infinite or otherwise... the only confusion there, is on your behalf who believes in Imbecilic Design and hopes one day the DiscoverHoodwinking Institute for Peddling Jesus will manage to bribe enough venal "scientists" to ratify its creation myth disguised as pseudo-science and thus enable them to subvert science and regress education.

And the claptrap about "potential infinite" and "actual infinite" is utter codswallop... an artifice fabricated by Christian Apologists to confound and befuddle simpletons.
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So now GDon why are you not daring to

GDon said:
....explain his [your] point, and we can turn this thread into a productive discussion around the concept of "infinity"....
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Why the scare quotes around the word infinity?

Come on GDon I lead the way long before you even asked for me to do so and you still REFUSE to dare to follow.

Come on...

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Steve said:
Why all the bolding/shouting, and highlights, and large fonts, and ridiculous QED's? Can you not make a valid point with normal text/speech like everyone else?
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Incessantly wafting mephitic red herrings and never daring to table a single coherent rational response... all in the name of apologetics for Christian Apologists... so yet again.... QED!!!
 
Leumas said:
Incessantly wafting mephitic red herrings and never daring to table a single coherent rational response... all in the name of apologetics for Christian Apologists... so yet again.... QED!!!
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Right off the deep end! A response that has absolutely no connection to the question I asked. And you are amazingly incompetent at discerning the positions and motives of any of the posters in this thread. Apparently anyone who does not rant in agreement with you is a Christian apologist, or an actual Christian.

I will say one thing in favor of most Christians - they communicate much more rationally than Leumas.
 
Steve said:
Right off the deep end! A response that has absolutely no connection to the question I asked. And you are amazingly incompetent at discerning the positions and motives of any of the posters in this thread. Apparently anyone who does not rant in agreement with you is a Christian apologist, or an actual Christian.

I will say one thing in favor of most Christians - they communicate much more rationally than Leumas.
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Yup... more RELENTLESS wafting of fetid red herrings and irrational sophistry and fallacious obfuscation to befuddle any rational discourse about the topic of the OP... with the purpose of diverting attention away from the topic of the OP... and out of consternated concerns to incessantly do concerted apologetics for casuists and Liars For Jesus the Zombified human sacrificed ill begotten son of a celestial slave mongering ethnic cleansing Bronze Age racist tribal turpitude ... so... yet again... QED!!!
 
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Steve said:
Right off the deep end! A response that has absolutely no connection to the question I asked. And you are amazingly incompetent at discerning the positions and motives of any of the posters in this thread. Apparently anyone who does not rant in agreement with you is a Christian apologist, or an actual Christian.

I will say one thing in favor of most Christians - they communicate much more rationally than Leumas.
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Leumas has been quite explicit about his belief that he is our intellectual superior in every way, and it's rather obvious that these threads he starts are primarily intended as platforms for demonstrating that conviction. So he can't very well go admitting that his premises are faulty (or even that his punctuation is inept or that he uses a thesaurus to aggrandize his posts). So his only recourse is to mask his inability to answer simple questions with baseless accusations and repetition of his most cleverest turns of phrase.
 
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