Indivisibility and existence

[RandFan]

You're wondering what the point of my philosophy is.

Given that there is no discernible difference it seems a logical question.

You don't think it's worth caring whether my philosophy is true unless it's going to affect mankind.

Yes.

You say that there aren't any discernible differences between our universes, yet the universe we share is full of people believing in the reality of their humanity and the world within their senses, so we share a world full of BS.

Assuming that this is true it doesn't change anything. You will still use your computer, drive your car, go to work to feed your family and pay bills to keep yourself in shelter and the lights on.

Your own life belies your philosophy. The day you opt out of the fantasy is the day I will believe that you believe. See, I'm not convinced that you fully believe your own BS.

You cannot know what my universe is since it has yet to pass.

{snore} I only know what my universe is and that you (lifegazer) behave as if my universe is pretty much as I perceive it. You are the one that convinces me that it is real. If someone who professes to believe that it is not real but lives as if it is then why should I believe any different?

Thanks lifegazer.

 

[H'ethetheth]

Haha... oh, but it is the point.

No, it really isn't.

You admit that we know very little about the "very small". Then you have the cheek to pass judgement about the very small - "bizareness" - and simultaneously berate my argument because of everything that we know.

I see. You're wondering what the point of my philosophy is. You don't think it's worth caring whether my philosophy is true unless it's going to affect mankind.
You say that there aren't any discernible differences between our universes, yet the universe we share is full of people believing in the reality of their humanity and the world within their senses, so we share a world full of BS.

It's difficult to add to what's been said already, but in essence, we do share world of BS. The thing is, it's the same BS, whether you're right or not. There's no way to know if there's another world full of different BS behind it.

You cannot know what my universe is since it has yet to pass.

That is exactly the point. We don't know, and we'll never know, until the universe as we know it comes to an end. And, incidentally, that's also exactly why you might be wrong. Like us, you cannot know this with any degree of certainty.

 

[H'ethetheth]

You're all like kids in a candy shop. Only interested in bigger and better candy shops. Nothing else matters.

No, we're like kids in a candy shop who've been told that we're not in the candy shop we thought we were but one that looks and behaves exactly the same as our candy shop in every way down to the smallest detail but which in some ineffable, undetectable and incomprehensible way differs. And then we're asked to care.

Nice.

 

[fuelair]

For an excellent example of how to write like you try to but so that it carries meaning and coherency, see Is There Room for the Soul? Jay Tolson US News and World Report p.57+ Oct. 23,2006

 

[H'ethetheth]

Lifegazer refuses to address this argument once more.
Who would have thought?

 

[Ceritus]

The 4d universe cannot be comprised of multiple indivisible parts/things.
Why?
... Indivisibility of a 4d object means that the object is the same throughout, so that there is no way to differentiate 'any part' of it from another.
Hence, there is zero distance of length and time within an indivisible entity.
You might want to discuss this further, since this realisation leads to this:

If distance and time are meaningless within an indivisible entity, then distance and time are meaningless within a gathering of such entities, so that "The 4d universe cannot be comprised of multiple indivisible parts/things."

Now, this might not [yet] seem so significant. However, the absence of definite parts within the universe, means that the universe itself cannot be definite.
The thing is, a universe without indivisible parts must - by logical default - be indefinite (unreal).

Intelligent responses please.

Sigh when will this guy excercise his brain before posting. =\

Seriously Lifegazer, you drain me.