Ed Indictment in Breonna Taylor case.

[Bikewer]

Just announced, one of the officers was indicted for “reckless endangerment” for apparently shooting into adjacent apartments.
None of the officers actually involved in the shooting were charged, the investigation showed they were acting properly.

This has been pretty apparent from the time that fairly detailed accounts of the incident became public.... The death of Taylor was a tragic accident but not criminal. The officers did not go to the wrong address, they were looking for Taylor’s boyfriend.
They did have a “no knock” warrant, and the boyfriend did open fire on them as they forced their way in.
They returned fire and Taylor caught a bullet. Tragedy, but no “murder”...

Nonetheless, various activists interviewed, including one of the state representatives, continue to call for “justice” and believe there must be some way to charge the other officers.
Demonstrations and protests are already occurring.

 

[Thermal]

Still don't get this. The cops shot blindly into the dark in a residential area. No idea if there were children in there, or how many. If that's not reckless endangerment I don't know what is.

 

[whoanellie]

Just announced, one of the officers was indicted for “reckless endangerment” for apparently shooting into adjacent apartments.

None of the officers actually involved in the shooting were charged, the investigation showed they were acting properly.



This has been pretty apparent from the time that fairly detailed accounts of the incident became public.... The death of Taylor was a tragic accident but not criminal. The officers did not go to the wrong address, they were looking for Taylor’s boyfriend.

They did have a “no knock” warrant, and the boyfriend did open fire on them as they forced their way in.

They returned fire and Taylor caught a bullet. Tragedy, but no “murder”...



Nonetheless, various activists interviewed, including one of the state representatives, continue to call for “justice” and believe there must be some way to charge the other officers.

Demonstrations and protests are already occurring.

Her name is Breonna.
The police were not looking for the boyfriend that Breonna was living with (the one who opened fire). The alleged drug dealer was an ex boyfriend of Breonna's.

 

[portlandatheist]

A few thoughts on Breonna's shooting:
Why did the cops request a search warrant in the first place and why did the judge issue it? I think that is the first question that needs to be asked. After reading the wiki article on the shooting, this is seriously a head scratcher.
The warrant was not for:
The drug house in question
The primary suspect in question
The packages in question received in the mail that may have contained drugs.
The residence of Breonna Taylor was secondary, at best, to all of these better targets for a search warrant.
Even if she was receiving drugs via the mail, that should not be enough to justify serving a warrant like that: breaking down the door in the middle of the night.

As for the cops:
the indicted cop fired completely blindly into through a curtained patio door not knowing who he was firing at. That is clearly reckless. It was reckless not knowing who was even inside before serving the warrant in the first place.
One of the cops returned fire only after being shot himself. No way a grand jury is going to indict for murder as some people clearly wanted.

 

[pgwenthold]

No one was indicted for the murder of Breonna because they couldn't actually determine who actually shot her. There were a couple of cops firing away, and they don't know who was responsible. Therefore, trying to charge either one, the defense would be "how do you know it wasn't the other person?"

Therefore, all you need to do to get away with murder is to have multiple people shooting. Im sure that would work for a gang drive-by shooting, right?

Who is the murderer and who is the conspirator? Oh, we can't tell. Ok, let them all go free....

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Breona was a bystander.

People in other apartments were bystanders.

Killing Breona: not wrong.

Potentially harming or killing anyone else: wrong.

The law is funny sometimes.

Breona's death is less of an offense than some distress and anxiety the neighbors were placed in.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

No one was indicted for the murder of Breonna because they couldn't actually determine who actually shot her. There were a couple of cops firing away, and they don't know who was responsible. Therefore, trying to charge either one, the defense would be "how do you know it wasn't the other person?"

Therefore, all you need to do to get away with murder is to have multiple people shooting. Im sure that would work for a gang drive-by shooting, right?

Who is the murderer and who is the conspirator? Oh, we can't tell. Ok, let them all go free....

Also, make sure to fire a half-dozen or so extra rounds after you've made the kill.

Striations and markings change with every shot, apparently a few rounds being fired between the bullet used for evidence and the bullet fired by the forensic examiner to compare can get that tossed out.

 

[Bob001]

.....
This has been pretty apparent from the time that fairly detailed accounts of the incident became public.... The death of Taylor was a tragic accident but not criminal. The officers did not go to the wrong address, they were looking for Taylor’s boyfriend.
They did have a “no knock” warrant, and the boyfriend did open fire on them as they forced their way in.
They returned fire and Taylor caught a bullet. Tragedy, but no “murder”...
....

But the prosecution's claim now is that they did announce themselves. That kinda invalidates the point of a "no knock" warrant. It means that there was no urgent need to access the apartment. Once the cops could have given the residents more time to answer. They could have called on the phone and said "Police! Let us in!" They could have hit their sirens and used bullhorns outside.

Paradoxically, if the police had actually executed it as a "no knock" warrant they might have been inside yelling "Police!" before the couple could even wake up, let alone reach for a gun.

And how is it self-defense for the cops to kill the person who is NOT shooting at them? Charge them with manslaughter and let a jury decide if they were justified.

 

[rockinkt]

No one was indicted for the murder of Breonna because they couldn't actually determine who actually shot her. There were a couple of cops firing away, and they don't know who was responsible. Therefore, trying to charge either one, the defense would be "how do you know it wasn't the other person?"

Therefore, all you need to do to get away with murder is to have multiple people shooting. Im sure that would work for a gang drive-by shooting, right?

Who is the murderer and who is the conspirator? Oh, we can't tell. Ok, let them all go free....

Unless you can prove you were one of those people personally involved in deciding whether charges should be laid in this case - please cite where this was specifically stated by those people that were actually deciding if charges were to be laid.

 

[Bob001]

No one was indicted for the murder of Breonna because they couldn't actually determine who actually shot her. There were a couple of cops firing away, and they don't know who was responsible.
....

They have ballistics evidence. The only cop they charged did NOT shoot her.

A Kentucky State Police analysis "did not identify" which of the three officers fired the fatal shot, but the FBI crime lab concluded it came from Cosgrove. Cameron said this creates a "reasonable doubt" of who fired the fatal shot.

https://www.courier-journal.com/sto...-taylor-fact-check-7-rumors-wrong/5326938002/

 

[rockinkt]

But the prosecution's claim now is that they did announce themselves. That kinda invalidates the point of a "no knock" warrant. It means that there was no urgent need to access the apartment. Once the cops could have given the residents more time to answer. They could have called on the phone and said "Police! Let us in!" They could have hit their sirens and used bullhorns outside.

Paradoxically, if the police had actually executed it as a "no knock" warrant they might have been inside yelling "Police!" before the couple could even wake up, let alone reach for a gun.

And how is it self-defense for the cops to kill the person who is NOT shooting at them? Charge them with manslaughter and let a jury decide if they were justified.

A "no knock" search warrant does not mean police become cat burglars and sneak into a dwelling without announcing themselves.

Based on my personal experience having been a police officer in many search warrants - a "no knock" warrant is preceded by a loud announcement of "Police" an instant before the door is hammered in. "Police" was also yelled by the participants as they entered the dwelling as well.
To think that these police did not or were not obliged to announce who they were is really stretching it.

 

[Shadowdweller]

Unless you can prove you were one of those people personally involved in deciding whether charges should be laid in this case - please cite where this was specifically stated by those people that were actually deciding if charges are to be laid.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/justice/...reonna-taylor-officers-charges-sot-nr-vpx.cnn

ETA: Sorry, wrong part of the AG's speech. Searching elsewhere

Here we go:
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/kentu...s-against-one-officer-in-breonna-taylor-case/

Starting around 3:00 until around 4:25 or so.

 

[Bob001]

A "no knock" search warrant does not mean police become cat burglars and sneak into a dwelling without announcing themselves.

Based on my personal experience having been a police officer in many search warrants - a "no knock" warrant is preceded by a loud announcement of "Police" an instant before the door is hammered in. "Police" was also yelled by the participants as they entered the dwelling as well.
To think that these police did not or were not obliged to announce who they were is really stretching it.

According to a report linked above, the police waited as much as a minute after they announced themselves and before they entered. That gave the occupants time enough to wake up scared and grab a gun, but not enough to collect themselves and answer the door. If the cops had entered immediately OR if they had waited longer, it might have gone differently.

And again, what was the need for urgency at all? Even if the person they were looking for was actually there, he was a minor drug dealer. They could have staked out the place and grabbed him when he left, or tracked him down at his local hangouts. What was the justification for a no-knock warrant at all?

This is another example of the militarized cops doing things not because they need to, but just because they can.

 

[whoanellie]

No one was indicted for the murder of Breonna because they couldn't actually determine who actually shot her. There were a couple of cops firing away, and they don't know who was responsible. Therefore, trying to charge either one, the defense would be "how do you know it wasn't the other person?"

Therefore, all you need to do to get away with murder is to have multiple people shooting. Im sure that would work for a gang drive-by shooting, right?

Who is the murderer and who is the conspirator? Oh, we can't tell. Ok, let them all go free....

This 100% totally false.

 

[casebro]

Last I heard the warrant was for her, it was a 'knock first warrant", they knocked and announced, and her shack-up opened fire after the cops entered.

But I don't recall my source. And Bikewer doesn't give his either.

 

[Trebuchet]

Cops lied. Breonna died.
And thats just fine with 40% of America .

 

[Skeptic Tank]

1.) The warrant was authorized as "no knock" but the police opted to knock and announce, or at the last minute their superiors changed it to that - not clear on which, but either way they DID knock and announce. A black Jamaican neighbor, the closest to Breonna's door, confirms they did knock and say "police! police!" - and the boyfriend who shot a cop in the femoral artery as they entered, also confirms they knocked but says he didn't hear "police."

2.) They weren't at the wrong house or anything like that. Her other boyfriend, the drug dealer Jamarcus, was in custody but they had strong reason to believe her apartment was frequently used in his drug running operation and, at the very least, might be a storage place for cash and an exchange spot for other things. They had enough basis to pursue and get a warrant, and it was entirely legitimate for them to question her and search the place with the info they had.

3.) Keep in mind, Breonna had rented a car that ended up with another drug dealer, connected to Jamarcus, dead in it. That right there was enough to justify searching her place IMO.

4.) When they entered, her boyfriend opened fire and they returned fire. Where's the issue? Who actually doesn't believe cops will return fire when you shoot one of them in the femoral artery? He could've bled out very rapidly and nearly did.

5.) The cop who was indicted shot through windows to where he believed the shooter(s) were, but apparently he was unlikely to have hit Breonna - I believe she was dead already by the time he did this. Regardless, it may have been somewhat imprudent but his fellow officer was bleeding out and I wouldn't have charged him for it. If a neighbor got killed or seriously wounded, I probably would have - but they didn't.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Still don't get this. The cops shot blindly into the dark in a residential area. No idea if there were children in there, or how many. If that's not reckless endangerment I don't know what is.

The word I think I heard on the news today while not paying enough attention is that the guy they fired and charged fired through a window with the binds down. Also they know his bullet(s) went into other apartments. I want to know where all his bullets went and how many went into Breonna.

 

[Bogative]

And again, what was the need for urgency at all? Even if the person they were looking for was actually there, he was a minor drug dealer. They could have staked out the place and grabbed him when he left, or tracked him down at his local hangouts. What was the justification for a no-knock warrant at all?

There seems to be some confusion.

The warrant was not for a person, it was a search warrant for Breonna Taylor's residence.

The urgency would be to prevent evidence from being destroyed.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

This case technically nullifies the right to defend your home, since any perceived intruder might be a cop.