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India's New Citizenship Law

rockysmith76

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Since it seems determined to isolate Muslims how long before India sees it's next act of Terrorism as frustration mounts?
 
Yeah, making 2 million people stateless is bound to really throw cold water on any thoughts of political violence.

This seems like a move that will practically guarantee ethnic/religious conflict in the near future.
 
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1. You get barked at for posting a link and NOT explaining what you are posting about

2. You get barked at for making a claim and not citing a reference, such as a link.

If you posted the link you posted in your second post, in your OP, theprestige would not have made the comment he did.
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I would have barked for not actually righting a description worth a damn though.

A link and a brief explanation for why the link might be interesting would be nice.
 
The Citizenship Amendment Act combined with the National Registry of Citizenship is designed by the current government to exclude and ultimately target Indian Muslims (initially). The Home Minister has stated time and again that the NRC will ensure that all people without documents will be considered non citizens and expelled from the country (don't ask me about what mechanism they intend to use for this). The CAA on the other hand states that non-Muslims from neighboring countries can apply for citizenship and they will be provided the necessary documents. However, Indian Muslims who have lived for generations have to prove their citizenship to the government. Considering that a vast section of the Indian populace does not have valid papers because of their economic status, this means that many people will be excluded. Particularly the underprivileged, tribal and dalit populations in the border regions.
The Farce of the NRC can be illustrated by two major cases...A military hero of the Kargil war, who is Muslim isn't in the NRC list...the family of the former President of India is no in the NRC list...there are more prominent examples.
The entire exercise is essentially to usher in a Hindu regime in India, something that the current government is not reluctant to admit.
Re: the violence...it has been shown that most of it has been instigated by the police beginning with the charging of a paramilitary team into a Television studio in Assam broadcasting a discussion on the CAA, and later the barging of the Delhi Police into a University campus where a meeting against the CAA bill was being held.
Professors, activists, human rights lawyers, are being detained/arrested in various parts of the country. Here is an image of the Police manhandling Prof. Ramachandra Guha internationally renown historian and social scientist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEFxhkMSZw0
 
rockysmith76 said:
Since it seems determined to isolate Muslims how long before India sees it's next act of Terrorism as frustration mounts?
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Interesting that you feel that Muslims and Terrorrism are interconnected. Past few decades have shown more terrorrist activity by the Hindu groups like the RSS (and their accolytes the BJP), Shiv Sena, Vishwa Hindu Parishad and the cults of various gurus and godmen currently being extolled by the current government. One of them has actually escaped a possible rape charge in India to establish a quasi Hindu Nation on an island off the coast of Ecuador:
https://www.news18.com/news/india/on-the-run-from-law-nithyananda-establishes-his-own-nation-called-kailaasa-near-ecuador-2410593.html
 
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Susheel said:
Interesting that you feel that Muslims and Terrorrism are interconnected. Past few decades have shown more terrorrist activity by the Hindu groups like the RSS (and their accolytes the BJP), Shiv Sena, Vishwa Hindu Parishad and the cults of various gurus and godmen currently being extolled by the current government. One of them has actually escaped a possible rape charge in India to establish a quasi Hindu Nation on an island off the coast of Ecuador:
https://www.news18.com/news/india/on-the-run-from-law-nithyananda-establishes-his-own-nation-called-kailaasa-near-ecuador-2410593.html
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I would suggest that your are reading way too much into rockysmith76's post. History has taught us that Hindus, Sikhs, and Muslims in India have resorted to violent terrorist attacks in the past when they have perceived themselves under attack or isolated from power. In this case - it is the Muslims who are being wronged therefore it is only logical to suggest that terroristic violence might occur as the Muslim community fights back against this provocative legislation.
 
Susheel said:
So the state sanctioned terrorism is not concerning. "We have to watch out for them Muslims."
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When you have used some logic in your posts instead of this obvious baiting I will engage you in a discussion.
 
Baiting? I am supposed to overlook the fact that he thinks the main problem with the situation here is not that the state is indulging in violent and even deadly repression of dissent, but that hypothetically the CAA might result in Islamic terrorism? The protest in India is not just from the Muslims...it plans all religions.
 
Susheel said:
Interesting that you feel that Muslims and Terrorrism are interconnected. Past few decades have shown more terrorrist activity by the Hindu groups like the RSS (and their accolytes the BJP), Shiv Sena, Vishwa Hindu Parishad and the cults of various gurus and godmen currently being extolled by the current government. One of them has actually escaped a possible rape charge in India to establish a quasi Hindu Nation on an island off the coast of Ecuador:
https://www.news18.com/news/india/on-the-run-from-law-nithyananda-establishes-his-own-nation-called-kailaasa-near-ecuador-2410593.html
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I despise what the Indian Government is trying to do, but to deny the reality of terrorism by Islamic Extremists is silly and stupid.
Looks like we will have a number of different religious wackjobs trying to outdo each other in the murder department.
 
Members of a right wing organisation entered and beat up anti-CAA protesters at the campus of the Jawaharlal Nehru University. The attack was carried out with the support of the police.
 
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It is surprising how fast that Hinduism's reputation as being a tolerant religion is going down the drain.
 
dudalb said:
It is surprising how fast that Hinduism's reputation as being a tolerant religion is going down the drain.
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The "reputation" of Hinduism abroad as a benign passive religion was a very efffective PR exercise originally initiated by Vivekananda in his address at the Parliament of World Religions in 1893...at home it was a different story. Vivekanananda was himself infected with extreme casteism:

Read here for some examples:
https://www.youthkiawaaz.com/2017/01/vivekananda-complete-works-caste/

The current religious intolerance stems from the the Hindu upper caste irritation that Christianity and Islam undermined their casteist dominance.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Yeah, making 2 million people stateless is bound to really throw cold water on any thoughts of political violence.
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That's not what the law does.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_(Amendment)_Act,_2019

The law permits non-Muslim immigrants from Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan who moved to India before 2014 to obtain citizenship. It does not permit Muslim immigrants from those countries to do so, nor does it strip anyone from citizenship. Anyone left stateless in the wake of the bill is stateless already.

The purpoted nature of the bill is to allow people who fled religious persecution settle in India. The assumption is there is no religious persecution against Muslims in Muslim countries. This is where the bill utterly fails, the religious persecution against fellow Muslims is often even worse than against non-Muslims in those countries. That's the reason the bill is wrong.

McHrozni
 
Also, consider the fact that the CAA is also going to be deployed in conjunction with the NRC which has already resulted in a lot of people being disenfranchised in the state of Assam and some of them shifted to detention centres: These have so far included a veteran of the Kargil war, members of a family of the former president of India, judges, professors and even the former chief minister of the state.
 
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