Indianapolis Bakery refuses service to gay student group

[Ladewig]

look at the quote from Emet's update


Apparantly the city is thier landlord and their lease agreement requires 'equal accomodations' so they may lose thier lease over this depending upon what the investigation finds out.

The story does not define "equal accomodations." Does anyone know how Indianapolis law defines that term?

 

[Psi Baba]

I hope no one tries order Care Bear cookies at that bakery! "I said no gay-ass rainbows in our bakery!" said bakery owner Roy G. Biv.

 

[TragicMonkey]

I hope no one tries order Care Bear cookies at that bakery! "I said no gay-ass rainbows in our bakery!" said bakery owner Roy G. Biv.

I believe Cheer Bear is the only one who bears a rainbow tattooed on his gut. The others have different icons depending on their particular fetish.

 

[varwoche]

Is there a specific law or statute that you can cite [snip irrelevant qualifiers]?

[delete ... see post 108]

 

[Ladewig]

Yes:

Well, it looks like I was entirely wrong.

I do have one last question about the cited document. When I read 702 (1). (c)&(d)

(c) A public accommodation affects commerce if:

(i) it is a place of lodging;

(ii) it serves or offers to serve interstate travelers; or

(iii) a substantial portion of the goods or entertainment it sells or provides has moved in commerce.

(d) "Commerce" means travel, trade, traffic, transportation, communication, and all other forms of commerce among the several States, or between any State and any foreign country or other area outside the Federated States of Micronesia, or between points in the same State but through any area outside the State.

...I see it as applying only to those businesses related to interstate commerce and not a local bakery 100 miles from the nearest state border, however I am not a lawyer and make no claim at all to fully understanding the intricacies of federal law. In fact, I will go with my first statement and say that I am completely wrong unless a qualified individual can provide a different proper and legal definition.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

For context, the order that the owner considered obscene was of rainbow colored cookies and cupcakes to celebrate National Coming Out Day on October 11th.

Not to speak for the bakery owner, but baking special cookies to celebrate a sexual perversion would not be setting the example that I would want to set for any children I might have.

I wouldn't want anything to do with that any more than I would want to participate in a celebration of pedophilia, or adultery, or bestiality, or rape, or any other form of sexual immorality.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Not to speak for the bakery owner, but baking special cookies to celebrate a sexual perversion would not be setting the example that I would want to set for any children I might have.

Right on! But what's this have to do with homosexuality?

 

[varwoche]

Well, it looks like I was entirely wrong.

Sorry -- I didn't check if my link was legit. (It's not. Micronesia? Doh.) Here, from the horse's mouth.

 

[GracefullyTalentless]

Not to speak for the bakery owner, but baking special cookies to celebrate a sexual perversion would not be setting the example that I would want to set for any children I might have.

I wouldn't want anything to do with that any more than I would want to participate in a celebration of pedophilia, or adultery, or bestiality, or rape, or any other form of sexual immorality.

I'm sorry, but the thought of a bestiality cookie just cracked me up...

 

[quadraginta]

Right on! But what's this have to do with homosexuality?

Don't you understand? Tolerance is exactly the same thing as advocacy.

This is why it's wrong to allow anyone to build a mosque.

If you let 'em in the Woolworth's what's gonna keep 'em out of the White House?

Oh, wait ...

 

[ZirconBlue]

Don't you understand? Tolerance is exactly the same thing as advocacy.

This is why it's wrong to allow anyone to build a mosque.

If you let 'em in the Woolworth's what's gonna keep 'em out of the White House?

Oh, wait ...

Luckily, Bob's part of a dying breed. As each successive generation becomes more tolerant and accepting of others, Bob's ilk can do naught but gnash their teeth and rail against inevitable change, only to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century.

 

[quadraginta]

Luckily, Bob's part of a dying breed. As each successive generation becomes more tolerant and accepting of others, Bob's ilk can do naught but gnash their teeth and rail against inevitable change, only to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century.

I fervently hope you are right. In my more optimistic moments I'm inclined to agree, but then the news comes on, and I hear the poison rhetoric about immigrants, and mosques, and sexuality which doesn't only echo but almost repeats verbatim the rabid hatred of the past, and I wonder just how much progress we've really made. And more importantly, how difficult it would be to reverse the process.

The answer I come up with isn't as reassuring as I would like.

 

[ZirconBlue]

I fervently hope you are right. In my more optimistic moments I'm inclined to agree, but then the news comes on, and I hear the poison rhetoric about immigrants, and mosques, and sexuality which doesn't only echo but almost repeats verbatim the rabid hatred of the past, and I wonder just how much progress we've really made. And more importantly, how difficult it would be to reverse the process.

The answer I come up with isn't as reassuring as I would like.

I think the fighting always gets more brutal as the old guard realizes that they're about to lose the fight. There are always obstacles and setbacks, but progress is inevitable.

This might cheer you up.

 

[Weak Kitten]

Thank you ZirconBlue, I needed some cheering up. I usually feel that, baring mental problems, people really are basically good. If they just get to know people who are different from them they'll find that all those things they were afraid of just aren't true.

Also, I just have to chuckle a bit at the thought of gays not being "family friendly". Here I sit, watching a cute interracial couple walk by with their baby and I think about how that was once thought to not be "family friendly".

 

[quadraginta]

I think the fighting always gets more brutal as the old guard realizes that they're about to lose the fight. There are always obstacles and setbacks, but progress is inevitable.

This might cheer you up.

It does. Things like that always do. As I said, I'm inclined to agree.

It's probably just my contrarian nature, but I tend to keep pithy sayings about freedom and vigilance in mind, too.

I feel fortunate that I grew up in a society and at a time when the cultural progress we have made was so evident. What worries me (just a tiny bit, and only on occasion) is how much that progress is taken for granted by people who aren't old enough to remember those times well.

"It can't happen here." and its cousin, "That won't happen again." are still popping up in conversations like this one. I think it's a good idea to be vigilant against them as well.

 

[Cavemonster]

I'm sorry, but the thought of a bestiality cookie just cracked me up...

Animal crackers?

 

[Ladewig]

Sorry -- I didn't check if my link was legit. (It's not. Micronesia? Doh.) Here, from the horse's mouth.

I will default to the position of being wrong in my first claim, however, I do want to see if a local bakery fits the description from 245.b.2.F.

or of any restaurant, cafeteria, lunchroom, lunch counter, soda fountain, or other facility which serves the public and which is principally engaged in selling food or beverages for consumption on the premises,

Also, my original claim was for federal law. For all I know, state law (or local law) can and does include this type of business.

 

[quadraginta]

Thank you ZirconBlue, I needed some cheering up. I usually feel that, baring mental problems, people really are basically good. If they just get to know people who are different from them they'll find that all those things they were afraid of just aren't true.

Also, I just have to chuckle a bit at the thought of gays not being "family friendly". Here I sit, watching a cute interracial couple walk by with their baby and I think about how that was once thought to not be "family friendly".

See? That's the sort of thing I'm talking about. It hasn't even been a year since we had a thread about this incident.

NEW ORLEANS A Louisiana justice of the peace said he refused to issue a marriage license to an interracial couple out of concern for any children the couple might have. Keith Bardwell, justice of the peace in Tangipahoa Parish, says it is his experience that most interracial marriages do not last long.

"I'm not a racist. I just don't believe in mixing the races that way," Bardwell told the Associated Press on Thursday. "I have piles and piles of black friends. They come to my home, I marry them, they use my bathroom. I treat them just like everyone else."

Bardwell said he asks everyone who calls about marriage if they are a mixed race couple. If they are, he does not marry them, he said.

This kind of stuff just isn't as far away as we want to believe it is.

We can take pride in the advances we've made, but it's a bit early for complacency.

 

[Ladewig]

Not to speak for the bakery owner, but baking special cookies to celebrate a sexual perversion would not be setting the example that I would want to set for any children I might have.

I wouldn't want anything to do with that any more than I would want to participate in a celebration of pedophilia, or adultery, or bestiality, or rape, or any other form of sexual immorality.

Which is, of course, the reason we on the left are working to make all those people protected classes under the New Constitution. Once that is in place, it will be illegal to discriminate against those people. Also, the new hate speech legislation will make your post illegal - you'll go to jail for saying things such as that. Oh and by strengthening federal interference in public schools we will teach all the kids that people who commit violent crimes that brutally victimize innocent people are merely expressing themselves through alternative lifestyles that should be celebrated. Mhahahahahaha. The liberal/gay/Islamofacist/Americanfacist/New World Orderfacist agenda is inevitable.

 

[cwalner]

Also, my original claim was for federal law. For all I know, state law (or local law) can and does include this type of business.

Its a bit more than just that. They are located in the City Market, which if you review their website appears to be run by a government sponsored corporation to help vitalize the downtown economy. The previous quote in the thread from Mayor Ballard* indicated that because of this location, they are subject to an 'equal accommodations' clause. I will be searching to see if I can find out what that means here in Indianapolis.

*ETA investigoogling showed that the quote came from his spokeseman, not directly from Ballard