Impossible ages in the OT?

I've been reading the OT lately and one thing I'm wondering about is the fact that some major characters in it apparently lived for hundreds upon hundreds of years until they died. Some lived for 900 years until they finally croaked.

How's this possible? Is there some difference in the definition of the word "year" or is it pure magic?

The best interpetation that I have heard about how some of the people in Bible live for hundreds of years, is what is being referred is the number of descendents of the person in question as opposed to actual age of the person.

Because in many societies the size of a person's family is much more important that the actual age of a person.
 
Man, can you even imagine the kind of "back in my day" stories you'd hear from someone who actually lived about a quarter of the Earth's age ;)

"You kids don't know how good you have it! Toys? Back in my day we didn't even have a stick to splash in puddles with. Before the Carboniferous, all we had were ferns and those don't make good sticks to splash with! And you always had to look out for velociraptors. Some of the smaller buggers would just zip by and run off with your bloody leg if you didn't look out. "

"And it reminds me, you kids always complaining about having to eat your veggies. Oh, what we wouldn't have given for some veggies like those instead of fern for breakfast, lunch and dinner! Ever eaten a fern, kid? Makes you wish some beans and carrots would evolve already, but nooo, they had to take their bloody time."

"And always complaining about having to walk to school through snow, uphill both ways. Oh what we wouldn't have given for some snow to walk through! You know how hot it got in the Eocene? 'Course you don't. It was a whole bloody 12 Celsius hotter, that's how hot. And on top of that, the bloody continental drift had put us right on the bloody equator at the time."

"And mosquitoes? You call those mosqutoes worth complaining about? Wimps. You should have seen what we used to call insects back in my day. Bloody mosquitoes back then could suck a cow dry, if cows had evolved yet. And there was this dragonfly THIS wide!" (Holds hands 2.5 ft apart.) "You had to hand it to the bugger that it ate the other insects, but you'd pray it never goes hungry because it was big enough to mug you and eat your lunch!"

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...Bloody mosquitoes back then could suck a cow dry, if cows had evolved yet. And there was this dragonfly THIS wide!" (Holds hands 2.5 ft apart.) "You had to hand it to the bugger that it ate the other insects, but you'd pray it never goes hungry because it was big enough to mug you and eat your lunch!"
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This sumbitch at 2 and a half feet would rule the sky around here!
Carry off small dogs and noisy kids.... hey, that wouldn't be all that bad.... :)
 

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Well, that sonofabitch still weighed only 1 pound or so. So I doubt it could carry off something much bigger than a Chihuahua. Could probably bite the head off a cat, though.

Now if you want something that would be a more unholy terror from the past, take the aptly named Terror Bird. Think a nastier ostrich, sorta, or those tamable birds from WoW. The largest ones found stood 10 ft tall (3m) and just the _skull_ was 2.5 ft long, plus a sharp and sturdy 1.5 ft beak. It was also a nasty carnivore.

Think, sorta, poor man's T-Rex with feathers :p

Of course, those didn't fly.

For an unholy terror that flies, try Haast's Eagle, which actually lived until 1400 BC or so. It weighed anywhere betwee 20 and 33 lbs or so (with the females more towards the lower part and the males more towards the highest part of that interval), had "only" 9 ft or so wingspan (plus/minus 1 ft or so), and attacked by diving at 50mph with its talons first. Had reinforced leg bones and hips to resist that kind of impact too. And we're really talking about an impact similar to being hit by the stereotypical cartoon anvil dropped off a cliff ;) It could kill things 15 times its weight.

Or for a less deadly terror from above, take the recent find of an ancient kinda seagull with a 17 ft wing span. If you think a pigeon crapping on you on your windshield is bad, umm, yeah, you get what I'm talking about ;)
 
If you take the biblical accounts as correct, Methuselah lived 900 years. That's almost one fourth of the time the world existed pre-Jesus. You'd think he'd be mentioned in more of the books.

Yep, as did Noah. Though Methuselah lived for a decade or so more.
 
If you take the biblical accounts as correct, Methuselah lived 900 years. That's almost one fourth of the time the world existed pre-Jesus. You'd think he'd be mentioned in more of the books.

Methuselah lived to be 969, but if you do the sums correctly, you will find that God loved Methuselah so much, that he let him live for 969 years and then threw him under the bus and drowned him in Noah's Fludde.

Norm
 
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Methuselah lived to be 969, but if you do the sums correctly, you will find that God loved Methuselah so much, that he let him live for 969 years and then threw him under the bus and drowned him in Noah's Fludde.

Norm
IIRC, Metuselah was one of the righteous few who still walked the earth and was supposed to die before the flood was to come.
 
Well, that sonofabitch still weighed only 1 pound or so. So I doubt it could carry off something much bigger than a Chihuahua. Could probably bite the head off a cat, though.

Now if you want something that would be a more unholy terror from the past, take the aptly named Terror Bird. Think a nastier ostrich, sorta, or those tamable birds from WoW. The largest ones found stood 10 ft tall (3m) and just the _skull_ was 2.5 ft long, plus a sharp and sturdy 1.5 ft beak. It was also a nasty carnivore.

Think, sorta, poor man's T-Rex with feathers :p

Of course, those didn't fly.

For an unholy terror that flies, try Haast's Eagle, which actually lived until 1400 BC or so. It weighed anywhere betwee 20 and 33 lbs or so (with the females more towards the lower part and the males more towards the highest part of that interval), had "only" 9 ft or so wingspan (plus/minus 1 ft or so), and attacked by diving at 50mph with its talons first. Had reinforced leg bones and hips to resist that kind of impact too. And we're really talking about an impact similar to being hit by the stereotypical cartoon anvil dropped off a cliff ;) It could kill things 15 times its weight.

Or for a less deadly terror from above, take the recent find of an ancient kinda seagull with a 17 ft wing span. If you think a pigeon crapping on you on your windshield is bad, umm, yeah, you get what I'm talking about ;)
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There's a video of an eagle knocking a much larger sheep off a mountain side, and flying down to pick up the remains. Opportunist! :)
One day out back when hunkered down taking some belly flower pictures I heard a "SWOOOSHH" and looking up, saw a Golden Eagle pulling up after making a low pass. :)
 
IIRC, Metuselah was one of the righteous few who still walked the earth and was supposed to die before the flood was to come.
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It might be on AIG where the sums add up to Noah leaving Methuselah out of the Ark.
Or it could have been Adam himself, left to swim.
 
The Bible seriously claims that the people back then lived that long. Of course, anyone that can use logic should be able to tell that such a thing never happened.

In Genesis 6:3 God says, "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years."

The only explanations I have heard are that it was the result of the fallen people slipping further from the perfection of Eden, or that there was a canopy of water vapor that surrounded the earth before the flood, somehow making people so much more healthy that they could live to such ridiculous ages.


???We have a canopy of water vapor now (well, a reasonable amount and variable and other gasses also but it is there) - we call it the atmosphere (lower). So..............
 
In those days, and even much later, it was quite customary to ascribe various magic feats and abilities to heroes, kings, and various other iconic figures. Even in the 18th century Europe, the number of deer killed on a hunt, or enemies slain in battles, ascribed to a participating king would often be outrageous. Or think of the number of books allegedly written by the North Korean president!

Hans

I was under the impression he couldn't read and understand a book (unless maybe one involving a lost goat)much less write one.:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp
 
If you're looking at impossible things in the OT, I think ages are the least of your worries. ;)

Yeah, but i only recently got interested in reading the bible myself than just relying on other people retelling bits and pieces to me. This anomaly just stood out a whole lot more than god saying "let there be light".

It's terrible fantasy book though, and i can't really see how people can enjoy reading it. Hell, I've heard about that read it daily! I guess some people just have terrible standards.
 
If you take the biblical accounts as correct, Methuselah lived 900 years. That's almost one fourth of the time the world existed pre-Jesus. You'd think he'd be mentioned in more of the books.

He was in hiding from a pedophilia charge - he took advantage of a kid under 100! DOM indeed!
 
But now to take a break from my bad comedy routine and actually answer the question...

Mandatory parable: somewhere around the first year of college, I went to a pub with two coleagues. As it happened both males. And both complete nerds, just like yours truly. The talk was actually good until, all 3 of us being pretty drunk, one of them dropped some mention of doing it twice in a night with his girlfriend. The other one felt like a gauntlet has been thrown and he must counter that attack on his virility and honour, and claimed he had done it THREE times in a night just last week. The first one suddenly remembered that a couple of months ago, he had done it FOUR times in a night. It turned into, pretty much, an auction. I excused myself and left when it had gotten in the high two-digits range. I'm not kidding. In retrospect, I doubt either of them had actually even seen a naked woman whose name didn't end in .gif.

That's the impression I get from the OT and those ages.

The 120 age seems to be there just to top the Egyptians' maximum and perfect age of 110, and Moses who lived to that age is neatly squashed between two who had lived to 110.

The Egyptians, funnily, based that perfect age on just numerology, rather than an actual life expectancy, and said things like "he lived 110 years" about someone only as a way to say "he lived a perfect life", i.e., "he was a really swell guy and liked by all." But they were burying him at 35. (So I guess if he really lived to 110, his last 75 years must have been REALLY crap;))

The Hebrews seem to have just had this knee jerk reaction to just top the Egyptians number. THEIR God gives you 10% more.

The same goes for the other ages. Faced with a (mis-understood) list of insanely long king lives from their neighbours on the other side, they just had to top that too. THEIR ancestors lived even longer than that, so natch!

That's all there is, folks. "My god's dick is bigger than your god's dick."
 
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The same goes for the other ages. Faced with a (mis-understood) list of insanely long king lives from their neighbours on the other side, they just had to top that too. THEIR ancestors lived even longer than that, so natch!

That's all there is, folks. "My god's dick is bigger than your god's dick."

Not even Enoch, Methuselah and Noah combined come close to some of the pretty "young" old Sumerian kings, though.
 

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