Impeach Bush

[Bottle or the Gun]

I don't think anyone trusts the alternative, either. I think it's naive, if not criminally stupid, to blindly believe a politician is primarily working for the people. If Kerry wins, it will be more for folks wanting a change of any sort. They don't know what the future President and administration will do, but hoping it will be different, if not better.

Then 4 years later, they do it again. (Of course in '08, Retard George's kid Jeb will be running. )

 

[TillEulenspiegel]

Ah, but you have to believe in the great conspiracy to reach the conclusion that Bush lied. Other people can conclude that he reached the wrong conclusion based on faulty information. The whole "Bush lied" bit strikes a chord w/ hard-core Dems who have had an ax to grind since the 2000 elections, but it seems a bit far-fetched to most of the rest of us.

The evidence for Clinton and Nixon lieing was much more apparent.

Well once again we are of disparate opinion. I do not agree in the "Grand Conspiracy" theories . One only has to look at the Iran/Contra clusterfuge to see even 6 or so people ( including arguably the most powerful man alive at the time) in the know can't mount an illegal action without being caught with their pants down around their ankles.

Like a bad conjurers trick the Bush's slips are done with a requisite involvement of the Public and the other two branches of government So even with much insulation there is exposure. This is not some conjecture of idiots like survivalists or Rush and his ilk about Vince Foster getting murdered while munching a sandwich, this is all a matter of public record. Attempts of ex-post facto justification and specious verbiage ( plausible deniability ) cannot offer absolution for Bush and his camp of lier's.

If G II was in charge of Auswitch, the atrocities committed in the ovens would have been called " The Hazardous Waste Disposal Act". I do not offer apologies to those offended by the example because like the fictional wizard Gandelf said "if we do nothing to stop..... soon this tongue will be heard in all middle earth". I have had my fill of his wagging , stupid , reactionary tongue for the past three years, are there any here who feel the same?

 

[gnome]

The site linked in the OP is poorly made... I wasn't fond of the list of "impeachable offenses" which were an uncommented list of media story links. Many of these are troubling, but requires a little more work to concoct it into credible grounds for impeachment.

I would find it more compelling if each link was accompanied by an analysis of why it translates into an impeachable offense by Bush. For many of the links, it is not self-evident.

I oppose an impeachment move against Bush--it is a pointless venture, as was the move against Clinton. It needs to go through both House and Senate, and there is no way our current congress would decide to do so, in the absence of truly damning evidence that no one could ignore or rationalize. And furthermore it would be an excruciatingly slow proceeding, as it was for Clinton.

I prefer to remove Bush sooner, in November.

 

[Zep]

Impeachment essentially means the president is brought to trial before the Senate. It is only if the senate convicts the president that he is removed from office. Clinton was impeached by the House, but the Senate aquitted him.

More details here:
http://www.hematite.com/impeachment/

OK, thanks.

So Bush gets impeached, the Senate finds him guilty based on sufficient evidence, he gets shown out the door of the Whitehouse. So who gets to be president then? Chaney?

 

[TillEulenspiegel]

The role of surrogate is a placeholder position till the the election. Thats OK tho as the veep even on ascension would have to be appointed . Chaney is by far the more dangerous of the duo. May Mr. bush expire before that eventuality.

 

[Frank Newgent]

Don't bet the farm just yet.

Why not?

 

[Snide]

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Originally posted by Mel



I think this election will see a lot of people voting to DUMP BUSH. People want to get a new adminsitration into our White House..... no matter WHO the alternative might be.
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A lot of people? Sure.
A majority? Don't bet the farm just yet.

The biggest beneficiary will likely be Nader anyway.

Doesn't have to be a majority who vote for that reason. Just enough of the current "undecideds." "A lot" may suffice.

 

[Ladewig]

A common enemy can make strange bedfellows, even if it is only temporary. The 9/11 commision found that there were contacts between Saddam and al-Quada. No one has claimed that this was why 9/11 happened, only that there was evidence that they were looking to collaborate.

I read the link and I came away not with the idea that they were looking to collaborate, but rather al Qeada wanted some land and some help acquiring weapons and Iraq (wisely) did not respond to the request. I consider this stuff no more a link than if I asked Morgan Fairchild for a date and she (wisely) ignored my request. I can't say there is a relationship between us or that we were looking to collaborate.

This whole "impeach Bush" movement has come about because the Dems have a weak candidate who will probably lose big time come November.

I will go even further and say the movement arose not because the Dems have a weak candidate, but rather because a few foaming-at-the-mouth liberals who don't have enough evidence for an impeachment (much less a conviction) felt the need to vent anyway.

 

[evildave]

Well, you know the Bush family and the Bin Ladin family go way back togetther. Perhaps we should bomb Texas over this clear and obvious link?

 

[WildCat]

I read the link and I came away not with the idea that they were looking to collaborate, but rather al Qeada wanted some land and some help acquiring weapons and Iraq (wisely) did not respond to the request.

Isn't that seeking to collaberate?

And this was going on in the early 90's. In the aftermath of 9/11, with the Afghan bases taken away and increased pressure on Saddam there was more incentive than ever for al Queda and Saddam to collaborate.

 

[evildave]

Well, now they don't have to. Al Queada has been helping the insurgents, so they've found a home in Iraq because we literally blew the door open for them.