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Impeach Bush

Zep said:
For those seeking a sea-change in US administration, wouldn't it be better to simply ensure that Bush and his cronies are voted so far out of government they are over the horizon?

If Bush was indeed successfully impeached prior to November, who becomes president? Chaney? At least he can try to intelligently distance himself (weasel-fashion) from the Iraq train-wreck, and thus offer the Reps a chance of retaining the office in a close election.

But if the impeachment process did not complete before November or it was unsuccessful, the situation becomes very muddy, I would imagine.

The alternative - giving Bush the window of opportunity to stand - would seem to make more room to swing the boot harder.
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I totally agree. At this point, Bush & his admin. have managed to evade responsibilty for so long it makes more sense to just vote them out the door.

But I sure wouldn't mind seeing them held legally accountable AFTER they leave office.
 
Ladewig said:
I have a hard time seeing "A" because of of al Qedea's stated goals is the "purification of the ranks of Islam from the elements of depravity." Given that Hussein was the embodiment of depravity in an Islamic country (e.g. paintings of nude women in the palaces), why would a fundamentalist like bin Laden have anything to do with him. I would expect bin Laden to want to remove Hussein from power.

What are the links that are being spoken of here?
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Right on! That's why bin Laden rejected all aid from the US when he was fighting the Soviets! :rolleyes:

A common enemy can make strange bedfellows, even if it is only temporary. The 9/11 commision found that there were contacts between Saddam and al-Quada. No one has claimed that this was why 9/11 happened, only that there was evidence that they were looking to collaberate.

And since when was a wrong decision made on faulty intelligence an impeachable offense? This is what elections are for.

This whole "impeach Bush" movement has come about because the Dems have a weak candidate who will probably lose big time come November.

I saw many anti-Bush bumper stickers this weekend, I saw a single Kerry bumper sticker. This does not bode well for the Kerry campaign!
 
The 9/11 commision found that there were contacts between Saddam and al-Quada.
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Could you provide a link for this, please?

I saw many anti-Bush bumper stickers this weekend, I saw a single Kerry bumper sticker. This does not bode well for the Kerry campaign!
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Everybody hates the incumbent so it doesn't bode well for the challenger? How does that work?
 
Jim Lennox said:


Could you provide a link for this, please?
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Look at the 4th paragraph, page 5 of the report. I don't have the slightest idea how to copy text from a pdf document, or I'd post the quote.

Everybody hates the incumbent so it doesn't bode well for the challenger? How does that work?
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People go to the polls to vote for a candidate, not to vote against one. That's why voter turnout is so low - people dislike both candidates, so they stay home.
 
Er, that's page 5, 4th paragraph. The database screwups have made it impossible to edit posts!
 
Well, the edit did work after all! Anyway, here's an example of what I'm talking about. I photographed this poster in California last week, note that Kerry's name is nowhere on it. Sorry if the large size is a problem for those of you on dial up, but I wanted the text to be legible.

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A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting Bin Ladin in 1994.
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Seems to be the confirmed link to which you refer.

I can see how the slower voters might look for a 'Bush out' box on their ballot paper, but Bush has made himself so unpopular that he only has himself to blame. I'm sure most people understand that to get rid of Bush you've got to vote for Kerry.

If Bush is found guilty of whatever crime after he is out of office, surely it means he should have been impeached while he was still there?

If there is enough to take him to court when he's out, why isn't there enough to impeach him?

What does it take to get impeached?

Wasn't Nixon going to get impeached for trying to bug his opponents?

Officials from Angola, Cameroon, Chile, Bulgaria, Guinea and Pakistan all had their phones tapped in what the Observer newspaper described as a "dirty tricks" operation.
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From here.
 
That's a given. Five months is a long time to wait though. What if he decides Canada has been seeking WMD?
 
Wildcat :"This whole "impeach Bush" movement has come about because the Dems have a weak candidate who will probably lose big time come November."

I disagree. The movement came about because the American people don't like to be used and lied to. Just ask Messrs Clinton and Nixon. ( Nixon being a tad harder to contact as he's dead.)
 
TillEulenspiegel said:
I disagree. The movement came about because the American people don't like to be used and lied to. Just ask Messrs Clinton and Nixon. ( Nixon being a tad harder to contact as he's dead.)
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Ah, but you have to believe in the great conspiracy to reach the conclusion that Bush lied. Other people can conclude that he reached the wrong conclusion based on faulty information. The whole "Bush lied" bit strikes a chord w/ hard-core Dems who have had an ax to grind since the 2000 elections, but it seems a bit far-fetched to most of the rest of us.

The evidence for Clinton and Nixon lieing was much more apparent.

As the economy continues to improve and the new Iraq gov't gains credibility the 33% of Americans who are neither Republicans or Democrats will lean toward the Bush ticket. Whether new terrorist attacks in the US would help or hurt Bush, I have no idea. That's the wild card.
 
WildCat said:
Ah, but you have to believe in the great conspiracy to reach the conclusion that Bush lied. Other people can conclude that he reached the wrong conclusion based on faulty information. The whole "Bush lied" bit strikes a chord w/ hard-core Dems who have had an ax to grind since the 2000 elections, but it seems a bit far-fetched to most of the rest of us.
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What about Hans Blix and the U.N. weapons inspectors? They gave him the right info, but he ignored them because that wasn't what he wanted to hear.
 
Other people can conclude that he reached the wrong conclusion based on faulty information.
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If I were an american voter I would not vote for someone who made such a big mistake. It is not the intelligence agency's call to go to war, it's the president's. It was his responsibility to make sure his information was cast-iron.

What was that sign Truman had on his desk?
 
Zep said:
If Bush was indeed successfully impeached prior to November, who becomes president? Chaney?
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FYI...

Impeachment does not automatically result in removal from office.
 
a_unique_person said:


Oppositions are not voted in, Governments are voted out.
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Sorry, but undecideds and independents go to the polls to vote for a candidate, not against one.

Those "Anyone But Bush" people were never going to vote GOP anyway.
 
Kodiak said:


FYI...

Impeachment does not automatically result in removal from office.
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OK, I don't know enough about the consequences then. :confused:

What happens? He gets a red flag and...what? Gets to keep the position and all the perks nonetheless? What is the point of impeachment if not, at least, to curb or curtail his powers? Or can he just ignore it and carry on regardless?
 
Zep said:
OK, I don't know enough about the consequences then. :confused:

What happens? He gets a red flag and...what? Gets to keep the position and all the perks nonetheless? What is the point of impeachment if not, at least, to curb or curtail his powers? Or can he just ignore it and carry on regardless?
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Impeachment essentially means the president is brought to trial before the Senate. It is only if the senate convicts the president that he is removed from office. Clinton was impeached by the House, but the Senate aquitted him.

More details here:
http://www.hematite.com/impeachment/
 
Kodiak said:


Sorry, but undecideds and independents go to the polls to vote for a candidate, not against one.

Those "Anyone But Bush" people were never going to vote GOP anyway.
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I think this election will see a lot of people voting to DUMP BUSH. People want to get a new adminsitration into our White House..... no matter WHO the alternative might be.
 
Mel said:



I think this election will see a lot of people voting to DUMP BUSH. People want to get a new adminsitration into our White House..... no matter WHO the alternative might be.
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A lot of people? Sure.
A majority? Don't bet the farm just yet.

The biggest beneficiary will likely be Nader anyway.
 
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