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I'm seriously freaked out.

Good, I'm pleased about that. Remember, searching for reassurance only takes you further into OCD. No matter how hard it is to avoid, try not to look for reassurance.
 
JP1283 said:
I only really start a thread on this forum when something really freaks me out. I have a lot of issues with fear, OCD, and anxiety, and these easily get to me. It hurts my feelings a little that I've been told to "get a life" by two of the posters here.
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So are you an "EMO"? From what I've been hearing, emo's are highly sensitive and make issues out of nothing.
 
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JP1283 said:
Hi, Joe...I don't particularly believe in my friend's (or others') psychic abilities...I fear they are real. When I hear of a strange coincidence, such as Shannon telling me a long time ago about how she thought she would die in a car wreck, and then someone else telling me they have dreams about people dying and then they do, and that they had one about Shannon dying the same way that Shannon thought she would...it gets under my skin and freaks me out. No, I don't believe in it, per se, but I fear it to be true. If after the next two weeks nothing happens (which I hope is the case, obviously) I think it will help me to overcome these feelings of fear that occur when I hear of things like this.
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This makes no sense. If you don't believe in it (and the "per se" meaning "in itself" adds nothing to your statement since there is no other way to believe in something except in the thing itself), then there's no reason to be afraid. If you're afraid her prediction is true, then you do believe in her abilities.

Again, you can't disbelieve and believe at the same time.

I think you do believe, and I don't think the failure of this prediction will do anything to change that.

Edit: I will be happy to admit I'm wrong if you post here in a couple of weeks that the person didn't die in a car crash and therefore you think psychic predictions are just bunk.
 
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skeptigirl said:
Well Ive had a couple things happen, over my lifetime! But not every other day.
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I was talking more about things like misperception, faulty memory, confusing dreams for memories and the like.

Top notch magicians present illusions that really look like magic to me, but when I can't explain how the trick works, I certain don't appeal to supernatural explanations. I'm one of 10 siblings, and anytime any of us reminisce about events where 2 or more of us where witnesses or participants, it's amazing how different the memories are. (And yet to each of us, our own version is the one we insist is correct.)

I don't count really freaky-seeming coincidences, because those are easily explained.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
SoapySam, can you characterize the claim/prediction without giving any of the private info?
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I think JP has answered pretty clearly.
We have a prediction and a definition of a "hit".
That's fine by me.

I wish the lady a pleasant drive and will be pleased to hear of her safe arrival.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Any way to verify it? If he announces she died in a wreck, do we just take his word for it?
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A news report might be made. Not all traffic fatalities make it in the news but most at least make the local paper.

But I'm not even going there, like I said, proper safety measures leave only the most severe accidents causing death. If this lady were to die but it turns out, no seatbelt, drinking was involved or she's simply a reckless driver, then I'd take it as evidence the psychic was making a prediction based on prior cues, not premonitions.

JP1283, I'm still not convinced you are interpreting your surroundings clearly. You ask not to be called a liar and other than the fact your stories lack credibility, I have no other evidence it is purposeful, so I will act on the assumption it is an exaggerated imagination interpreting normal events abnormally. I mean you no ill will.
 
I've been thinking about what would happen if Shannon actually dies during the trip she's going to be taking to Idaho. It would probably change my entire worldview, as I would have to believe in some sort of paranormal ability. I wouldn't be able to accept it as coincidence that she died. Obviously, I'm hoping that this 'premonition' does not come true and I'm hoping that I'm just being overly paranoid about the entire thing.

But if something does happen, I doubt I'll be in any position or state of mental health to even report back to you guys that something happened; I'll probably be on my way to the loony bin after losing my best friend in an accident that I was warned would happen. I'm going to PM SoapySam with all the local newspapers around here I can think of. Shannon is apparently taking the trip to Idaho this weekend, leaving on Friday. He does have her full name, so he will be able to check and see if anything happened if it is the case that I am too distraught. Obviously I'm hoping nothing happens and I can report back to all of you that nothing happened.

I think my 'belief' in psychic predictions (if you want to call it belief, as I don't call it that) will end when I see that Shannon made it back alright, and I'll be more able to judge the source rather than the information. I've also considered stopping being friends with Shannon after all of this, as the drama these issues cause in my mind is too much to take.

Skeptigirl, I'm hoping that's exactly what all of this is. I want my sanity back and an ability to think rationally about things like most of the rest of the posters here. I'm hoping that these events that have occurred are just being exaggerated by my over-analytical mind. If you want a background on what I've been through, I believe I posted a thread roughly a year ago entitled "My Anti-Testimony." That's where all my problems started. It is quite a long read so if you don't feel like reading, or are not particularly interested anyway, that's okay.

I wanted to say that a few of the threads I've started (there was one entitled Demonic Experience which is a good example of this) were not about me, they were stories posted by other posters on another forum I frequent that I thought I would re-post here to get opinions.
 
JP1283 said:
I've been thinking about what would happen if Shannon actually dies during the trip she's going to be taking to Idaho. It would probably change my entire worldview, as I would have to believe in some sort of paranormal ability. I wouldn't be able to accept it as coincidence that she died. Obviously, I'm hoping that this 'premonition' does not come true and I'm hoping that I'm just being overly paranoid about the entire thing.
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Your friend is about to drive a long distance, an inherently dangerous activity. The odds that she gets into a fatal accident are small, but they are not zero. If she does, it doesn't prove any paranormal ability.

It's the same as someone getting on a plane thinking that the plane will crash. On occasion, the plane does crash. It doesn't prove anything.
 
hey is there a chance that the first girl who had a dream told the second girl before she too had a dream about the same thing? Thats what i was thinking, or she heard about the first dream and either had a dream because of that/made up that she had that sort of dream (im not trying to insult your friend btw!!).
 
I've been thinking about what would happen if Shannon actually dies during the trip she's going to be taking to Idaho. It would probably change my entire worldview, as I would have to believe in some sort of paranormal ability. I wouldn't be able to accept it as coincidence that she died.
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I think my 'belief' in psychic predictions (if you want to call it belief, as I don't call it that) will end when I see that Shannon made it back alright, and I'll be more able to judge the source rather than the information.
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JP, with all due respect, I don't think you have a good understanding of critical thinking. If your friend dies, that doesn't prove she's psychic, and if she doesn't die, that doesn't prove she isn't psychic. (Of course I sincerely hope she doesn't have an accident.)

You're free to believe whatever you want, but if you really want to discriminate between actual paranormal abilities and imagined ones, you'll need to learn about critical thinking and the scientific method. I'm sure folks here can point to links explaining this if they haven't already. I would highly recommend Carl Sagan's book, "The Demon Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark," which you could probably pick up used or find at your local library.

Folks on this thread have brought up many possible non-paranormal explanations for your friends past, supposedly psychic predictions. If you really want to know if her or other's paranormal abilities are real, you must rule out these explanations. If you just want to believe and you aren't interested in distinguishing between real and imagined powers, that's a different story.

As I pointed out earlier in this thread, one simple way to start studying this would be to have Shannon or someone else who you believe to be psychic, to start making specific predictions. Start a thread here and post every single prediction made (before the outcome has passed, not after). The predictions would have to be the kinds of things that we all could verify (things that would be covered in the news, etc.). There are many other ways to test paranormal abilities, but anecdotal evidence means very little.
 
Come on , people.
If someone actually predicted 4 fatal accidents, each two weeks before they occurred, would JP be the only one thinking there was something to investigate?

Hardly.

I do not believe his friend predicted fatal accidents.
Either JP does, or he is saying he does.
If he does and this case eases his mind, that seems a good outcome.
If he is kidding us, well, he has, unlike most kidders, given data which can (and will) be checked, if the excursion takes place as planned.

If it does not, at least nothing is lost.
 
Soapy Sam said:
Come on , people.
If someone actually predicted 4 fatal accidents, each two weeks before they occurred, would JP be the only one thinking there was something to investigate?

Hardly.

I do not believe his friend predicted fatal accidents.
Either JP does, or he is saying he does.
If he does and this case eases his mind, that seems a good outcome.
If he is kidding us, well, he has, unlike most kidders, given data which can (and will) be checked, if the excursion takes place as planned.

If it does not, at least nothing is lost.
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If I can make a small prediction?

Shannon aint a real person.

JP will post that Shannon died in a car crash on her trip.

Then there'll be 4 pages of trying to convince JP that just because Shannon crashed it doesn't mean she is psychic.
 
I think it's reasonable to believe that somewhere inbetween Soapy and Cullennz (in their two posts above) the truth can be found.
 
Why would I post that Shannon died on her trip if it wasn't true? I don't know how many times I can I say I'm not here to prove anything; I'm not rying to prove that Shannon is psychic; it's not my agenda at all. I posted because I thought maybe I get some help with this irrational fear of her dying in a car accident, not so I could say "I told you so."

Cullenz, I've proved to SoapySam that Shannon is a real person. And I'm not going to post that she died if she didn't. I wouldn't have anything to back it up if I even tried to make that claim if it wasn't true. And I don't want to post anything about her dying anyway; I think I've made it clear that I don't want any of this to be true and I'm hoping that it's all bunk.
 
JP1283 said:
Why would I post that Shannon died on her trip if it wasn't true?
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Sorry to be blunt but,

My initial guess was attention seeking.

Then I read the thread we you found it spooky that someone answered a Trivial Pursuit question right, because you didn't know the answer, so as scary as I find it, I'm guessing you actually believe this stuff.
 
JP1283 said:
I think my 'belief' in psychic predictions (if you want to call it belief, as I don't call it that) will end when I see that Shannon made it back alright, and I'll be more able to judge the source rather than the information.
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Why don't you just end it now? There is nothing/no one that is "psychic"
 
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