I'm on my last warning at the library!!

welshdean

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I've just returned from my weekly sojourn at my local library, trouble is it could be my penultimate visit.
I like to think that I'm a helpful chap and as such I often go out of my way to assist others less fortunate than myself, wether that be physically, financially or intellectually. As part of this ethos, I have, for the last eight weeks, been helping the librarians out by properly classifying books for them and locating them in their rightful place. You'd think that they'd be grateful but oh no, not at all, I've been told today that if i do it one more time my membership will be revoked.
I often peruse the '(auto)Biographical and Non-fiction sections and stumbled across 'If you could see what I can[t] see' by The Talons, flanked by 'Ghosts of Britain', various psychic books, dream analysis tosh and other such crapola in the Non-Fiction section (as I do every week). So I take it upon myself to assist the librarians and move them to their rightful place, Fiction! I've been doing this each and every week for the last two months and today it came to a head.
The head librarian asked me what I was doing and why do I persist on doing it. I politely replied that the books were obviously not Non-Fiction and would make it harder for potential borrowers to locate and read. Amazingly she then shouted, very loudly 'Of course they're Non-Fiction, you may dismisss the weight of evidence, but I don't! When I asked her how it was that we have photographic evidence of very rare events and even video of lightening striking the same place twice, yet with almost 80% of the population in possession of both a still and video camera (mobile phone), we still had no photgraphical or video evidence at all of ghosts, ghoulies and things that go bump in the night. How is it that a celebrated 'medium/psychic' such as Sylvia Brown had been proven to be a fake and no physcic had ever proven their abilities. Ergo this rubbish should be in the fiction section.
She then lost it, started shouting that if I had that particular point of view then how could I expect to be taken seriously! I kid you not.
It was at this point that two [female] patrons came over and insisted that ghosts were real and one of them had seen one and that it psychics were fakes how come that they had such large and loyal fan bases, "How could I explain Derek Acorah" :eek: I was so dumbfounded, I was lost for words. When I eventually explained that these books should have their own special section, the 'Deluded and gullible fools" section I was ordered to put the books down, make my selection and leave as I was disturbing the patrons (I was talking in a hushed voice throughout the discussion, they were shouting). When I got to the checkout I was informed that If I were to continue moving books and disturbing the tranquility of the library I would not be welcome and my membership revoked.
What struck me as odd was the venom in their voices and the twisted rage on their faces. I remained very calm throughout, yet all three of the fools had completely lost the plot. How the gullible defend their stupidity will never cease to amaze me.



BTW, I'm posting this from my phone and layout and proof reading is difficult on a bus, please accept my apologies for any spelling, grammatical or other such annoyances. I'll format and check thoroughly when I get home later on today.
 
Why don't you make an official complaint at your local council, tell them that by putting fictional books about ghosts and psychics in the non fiction section they have abused your religious freedom as its pushing spiritualism. Ask them why the bible or Koran isn't right next to them and threaten to complain to the church of England and the national press and point out that

"Local librarian pushes ghost religion over monotheism with council blessing"
is not a headline that they will be enthralled to see in the very near future
;)
 
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I don't usually go to the library, but often complain to bookshops about the same thing. And lo and behold, when I go back they are sometimes (but not always) moved.
 
You should write letters to the library about each and every individual book that you think is in the wrong place, suggest that it be moved and politely ask for a reply each time :D
 
Ooh well done. Hats off to you, welshdean. Sorry you were on the receiving end of so much flack, but if you will go round questioning the blind faith belief of religious zealots.... :rolleyes:
 
Whatever you do you have a huge job to make them see your point of view. It does not help that you upset the librarians. There are heaps of possibilities. One was suggested for Sylvia Browne books is to slip bits of paper in them with Robert's stop site.

You could do something similar. Borrow the books and then write one or two notes with the text, pointing out obvious errors. Nothing that the librarians would notice, just someone who read the book. Then return the books. As far as everyone is concerned you are behaving yourself. Just do not get caught!
 
I don't usually go to the library, but often complain to bookshops about the same thing. And lo and behold, when I go back they are sometimes (but not always) moved.

Yeah me too, my local WHSmiths won't let me in without an escort. I'm a 'Guerilla Book Re-classifier'. I found Shermer and Randi in the 'Spiritual' section at WHSmiths, soon moved though.:D

I'll not stop, no freakin way. Keep an eye out for a portly, goateed Welshbloke on the news as I'm carted off by 'The Man' for Bookshop and Library offences. :covereyes
 
You should write letters to the library about each and every individual book that you think is in the wrong place, suggest that it be moved and politely ask for a reply each time :D

Yeah, I should, after all I have loads of time with a full time job, Governerships at 2 schools, 3 kids, a nagging missus and a penchant for a quiet beer. :rolleyes:
 
Whatever you do you have a huge job to make them see your point of view. It does not help that you upset the librarians. There are heaps of possibilities. One was suggested for Sylvia Browne books is to slip bits of paper in them with Robert's stop site.

You could do something similar. Borrow the books and then write one or two notes with the text, pointing out obvious errors. Nothing that the librarians would notice, just someone who read the book. Then return the books. As far as everyone is concerned you are behaving yourself. Just do not get caught!

I like the idea of inserting little post-its, but I would NEVER write in a book. Just a personal thing but I find it akin to burning them.

(I do write notes in Hotel bibles though. It's not a real book is it)
 
AFAIK the Bibles you find in hotel rooms are GIVEN to them by the Gideons. They aren't the hotel's property and there's nothing to stop you writing in them or indeed removing them.
 
I've just returned from my weekly sojourn at my local library, trouble is it could be my penultimate visit.
I like to think that I'm a helpful chap and as such I often go out of my way to assist others less fortunate than myself, wether that be physically, financially or intellectually. As part of this ethos, I have, for the last eight weeks, been helping the librarians out by properly classifying books for them and locating them in their rightful place. You'd think that they'd be grateful but oh no, not at all, I've been told today that if i do it one more time my membership will be revoked.
I often peruse the '(auto)Biographical and Non-fiction sections and stumbled across 'If you could see what I can[t] see' by The Talons, flanked by 'Ghosts of Britain', various psychic books, dream analysis tosh and other such crapola in the Non-Fiction section (as I do every week). So I take it upon myself to assist the librarians and move them to their rightful place, Fiction! I've been doing this each and every week for the last two months and today it came to a head.
The head librarian asked me what I was doing and why do I persist on doing it. I politely replied that the books were obviously not Non-Fiction and would make it harder for potential borrowers to locate and read. Amazingly she then shouted, very loudly 'Of course they're Non-Fiction, you may dismisss the weight of evidence, but I don't! When I asked her how it was that we have photographic evidence of very rare events and even video of lightening striking the same place twice, yet with almost 80% of the population in possession of both a still and video camera (mobile phone), we still had no photgraphical or video evidence at all of ghosts, ghoulies and things that go bump in the night. How is it that a celebrated 'medium/psychic' such as Sylvia Brown had been proven to be a fake and no physcic had ever proven their abilities. Ergo this rubbish should be in the fiction section.
She then lost it, started shouting that if I had that particular point of view then how could I expect to be taken seriously! I kid you not.
It was at this point that two [female] patrons came over and insisted that ghosts were real and one of them had seen one and that it psychics were fakes how come that they had such large and loyal fan bases, "How could I explain Derek Acorah" :eek: I was so dumbfounded, I was lost for words. When I eventually explained that these books should have their own special section, the 'Deluded and gullible fools" section I was ordered to put the books down, make my selection and leave as I was disturbing the patrons (I was talking in a hushed voice throughout the discussion, they were shouting). When I got to the checkout I was informed that If I were to continue moving books and disturbing the tranquility of the library I would not be welcome and my membership revoked.
What struck me as odd was the venom in their voices and the twisted rage on their faces. I remained very calm throughout, yet all three of the fools had completely lost the plot. How the gullible defend their stupidity will never cease to amaze me.



BTW, I'm posting this from my phone and layout and proof reading is difficult on a bus, please accept my apologies for any spelling, grammatical or other such annoyances. I'll format and check thoroughly when I get home later on today.
People who believe want to believe. You tried to shake this belief and they reacted like typical religious biggots and lost their tempers. Try discussing evolution with a Baptist fundy sometimes. You'll get worse than this I assure you.
 
Am I the only person here thinking that the OP comes across far too self righteous and smug, to put it very mildly? Telling people "you are a bunch of idiots" rarely has any educational value. I, for one, fully support the type of effort that Robert Lancaster is doing with Stop Sylvia - provide information, not judgement - as I think it is effective, but I find efforts like this really irritating.
 
BTW, I'm posting this from my phone and layout and proof reading is difficult on a bus, please accept my apologies for any spelling, grammatical or other such annoyances. I'll format and check thoroughly when I get home later on today.

Slight derail but I wanted to praise Welshdean for, as in addition to his/her dedication to sensible library classification, their ability to format a coherent, perfectly legible, well written post on their phone far better than 99% of believers can manage with a full keyboard and home computer.
 
I could be the lone voice of opposition here.

I applaud your intentions but think you are wrong with the way you are going about it and the library are right to restrict what you are doing.

Books in Libraries are classified by the Dewey Decimal System or similar. That gives a coding to books and I would expect books with similar coding to be put together on library shelves.

I don’t know if coding is done centrally or locally but I suggest that you find out. The first thing you need to do if you want to go about this properly is to find out what coding system is used, who does it and what guidelines they have. Challenge this if you think it is wrong.

The next thing is to check the books are properly coded. If not you can raise that with the authorities.

Steven J Gould and Richard Dawkins had a long disagreement on how evolution occurred. They might both be right but in some aspects one is probably wrong. That does not make one of their works fiction.

For similar reasons books talking about the supernatural are not fiction. They belong elsewhere, even though they are wrong. You should complain if books are not being coded according to their system, you are wrong to try to superimpose your own coding.

The Dewey system has categories for Paranormal phenomena; the 130 series. This is part of the philosophy grouping. I would expect many libraries would put philosophy and science close together.
If the library is coding books correctly and filing them all together all you can only really complain about the grouping. You might suggest that philosophy and science shouldn’t be together.

If you want the library to move these book you are better getting them to do it for you rather than your current tactics which I think are wrong.
 
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Am I the only person here thinking that the OP comes across far too self righteous and smug, to put it very mildly? Telling people "you are a bunch of idiots" rarely has any educational value. I, for one, fully support the type of effort that Robert Lancaster is doing with Stop Sylvia - provide information, not judgement - as I think it is effective, but I find efforts like this really irritating.
You may well be. I don't think it's self righteous to try to move fictional books into the fiction section. I support the OP.
 
I've just returned from my weekly sojourn at my local library, trouble is it could be my penultimate visit.
I like to think that I'm a helpful chap and as such I often go out of my way to assist others less fortunate than myself, wether that be physically, financially or intellectually. As part of this ethos, I have, for the last eight weeks, been helping the librarians out by properly classifying books for them....

You are a twit. The librarians are classifying according to the Dewey system, which has a number for these subjects.
 
/me reads OP's Wall of Text.

I have to say I agree with Lothian -- first of all, entertaining as your stunt might be, these kinds of books are non-fiction, and reclassifying them doesn't do anything but create more work for the staff and damage their perception of your stance (scepticism).
 
The librarians are classifying according to the Dewey system, which has a number for these subjects.
I know that, but I would have thought that if someone pointed out that the classification was ridiculous, the library would do more than just say "that's how the publishers classified it, bad luck". Have you not seen books classified incorrectly? What did you do about it? At least the OP is trying something.
 
As a librarian I must put my 2 cents in. Classification of a book for its shelving location is not the end all for access points or in most instances a judgment about the book so even if an item you consider fiction is classified as non-fiction there may be notes in the record and other ways to indicate that it is not non-fiction in the same sense as say McCullough's John Adams. Regarding Lothian's comments about central classification, there are centralized databases (OCLC being the big one) where most libraries get their database records from that include such classification. However, each individual library can modify these records to to meet the local needs.

With all of that said, I have heard of libraries deliberately misclassifying a book to "hide" it but that is certainly frowned upon in the profession and considered unethical.
 
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