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Illinois Abolishes the Death Penalty

MattusMaximus

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I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet. I don't know if this belongs here or in Social Issues & Current Events, but I'll trust the Mods to deal with that...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...death-penalty-history20110309,0,2336421.story

Personally, while I don't necessarily have a moral issue with the death penalty, the implementation has always seemed problematic to me. I like the way the Tribune article addresses the issue.

In any case, I think Gov. Quinn made the right decision here.
 
MattusMaximus said:
I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet. I don't know if this belongs here or in Social Issues & Current Events, but I'll trust the Mods to deal with that...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...death-penalty-history20110309,0,2336421.story

Personally, while I don't necessarily have a moral issue with the death penalty, the implementation has always seemed problematic to me. I like the way the Tribune article addresses the issue.

In any case, I think Gov. Quinn made the right decision here.
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agreed.

Prisoners should be made to have taxpayer funded housing, entertainment and food provided for them for the rest of their lives.

*facepalm*
 
deepatrax said:
agreed.

Prisoners should be made to have taxpayer funded housing, entertainment and food provided for them for the rest of their lives.

*facepalm*
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Yes - who needs to try and reform them when they are just taking up space
 
I'm with Deepatrax on this. We should just kill all the prisoners, who cares if a few hundred were wrongfully convicted? Most of them are poor people and brown people anyway.
 
I agree with this, but I'm glad it happened after Gacy got it.
 
Abolition wins. I could not be happier.

EDIT: Okay, I could be happier. But this doesn't happen too often.
 
MG1962 said:
Yes - who needs to try and reform them when they are just taking up space
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you may be right.

Gov Quinn just commuted their sentences to LIFE.

now we have all the time we need to reform them for when they NEVER enter society again.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I'm with Deepatrax on this. We should just kill all the prisoners, who cares if a few hundred were wrongfully convicted? Most of them are poor people and brown people anyway.
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that's a lie!

all prisoners are wrongfully convicted!!

even the ones who admit to their murders and take the detectives to the sites of the bodies!!!
 
deepatrax said:
you may be right.

Gov Quinn just commuted their sentences to LIFE.

now we have all the time we need to reform them for when they NEVER enter society again.
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So allowing someone to be reformed just became conditional?
 
MG1962 said:
So allowing someone to be reformed just became conditional?
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they were sentenced to DIE because some judge and/or jury decided they should be.

Now the Gov. has decided they should have taxpayer funded housing, education, entertainment and food for life.

I disagree.

but he's the Gov...and that's the way it goes. Until another election and gov. officials decide differently.

no big deal.
 
Someone's unfamiliar with the cost of the death penalty. Don't worry. It's a common misconception.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Someone's unfamiliar with the cost of the death penalty. Don't worry. It's a common misconception.
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nah...you're just unfamiliar with the concept of STOPPING tedious lengthy legal appeals and just killing the death row inmate before he becomes even more of a burden on society.

If a death row inmate can tie his case up in courts for decades after repeatedly being found guilty and failing his appeals...the solution isn't to stop the death penalty...it's to SPEED UP THE PROCESS!
 
deepatrax said:
they were sentenced to DIE because some judge and/or jury decided they should be.

Now the Gov. has decided they should have taxpayer funded housing, education, entertainment and food for life.

I disagree.

but he's the Gov...and that's the way it goes. Until another election and gov. officials decide differently.

no big deal.
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You're talking as though the Governor made this decision all on his own. The bill passed both the state House and Senate before being signed by Quinn.
 
deepatrax said:
nah...you're just unfamiliar with the concept of STOPPING tedious lengthy legal appeals and just killing the death row inmate before he becomes even more of a burden on society.

If a death row inmate can tie his case up in courts for decades after repeatedly being found guilty and failing his appeals...the solution isn't to stop the death penalty...it's to SPEED UP THE PROCESS!
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Given the amount of people who have been found to be innocent in such proceedings, you would find their executions to be an acceptable trade-off?
 
Cleon said:
You're talking as though the Governor made this decision all on his own. The bill passed both the state House and Senate before being signed by Quinn.
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I know my State is basically a Liberal State.

Rahm is my mayor...*cringe*

no worries, things change...there'll be other elections.

I won't be storming the state capitol and I won't be demanding a recall or for the Republicans to leave the State till they get their way.
 
deepatrax said:
better police and prosecutor work is the solution...
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Again my yes or no questions do not get answered.

That's a fine point, though. However, you're alluding to some desired state of affairs. I'm dealing with reality, not fantasy. Maybe there will come a day when courts reach conclusions with perfect certainty.

Until then, save money, and don't execute.
 
MG1962 said:
Sp you want to spend more tax payer money to lower spending of tax payer money
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since when does asking someone to do their job better require more money??

Oh I see...cause they're government workers....lol

I'm just kiddin' with the police and prosecutors :)
 
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