I'll throw a coal into this fire

[rppa]

Thanks Skeptigirl, someone already mentionned it back somewhere before the thread got hijacked.

Turtle and rppa, should you two be playing the religious sophistry game in the religion forum? This is getting more than a little off-topic* for the thread (and forum, for that matter).

(* Derailed, actually. Not unlike one of Ian's hijacks. About as "interesting" too. IMO.)

Well, it wasn't my intention to talk about me.

What were we talking about? Didn't this start out as a gecko thread?

Edited to add

(Dragging back on the tracks)

The aura link Gecko provided initially lists the classic complementary colors, known to every art teacher. The reason blue objects have a yellow afterimage (or "aura") has to do with human vision. The color pairs listed are those which are opposite each other in the classic CIE Chromaticity Diagram

 

[Moose]

Originally posted by turtle:
And yet when I do it, I'm called names by that snooze fest Dr. A and compared to Ian?

Before you go off and martyr yourself, turtle, you'll kindly note a second name sitting directly next to yours, very nearly the only two names talking at each other for a page and a half.

It seemed an accurate description...

 

[Moose]

Originally posted by rppa:
Didn't this start out as a gecko thread?

Yeah, I think he got buried somewhere around page four.

 

[turtle]

Nope. I don't use that term anyway... it encourages an "us vs. them" mindframe that I think is counterproductive.

No, posting pictures like mine isn't particularly productive either.

It's not your beliefs. The bible is a collection of stories, most of which have changed (if only through translation) numerous times. Moreover, the main characters are often supernatural.

So, we have ancient stories with non-human psychologies, and the stories aren't accurate (to the originals) anyway. Even if I believed the stories, they are so distorted at this point that quibbling over meanings of individual verses (and indeed words!) seems silly to me.

Agreed.

 

[gecko]

ooh ooh...me?

Yeah...I did get buried, but that's all right. I was getting mighty sick of debating it all anyway.

This whole thread kind of was grabbed and dragged in another direction, but I suppose that's fine. Now I have to skip through these 500 line long posts by turtle with 10 million different quotes. No offense, just saying its hard to read it all.

So I'm lost where this whole thing has gotten to. I've dropped out, to be frank. I'll try to hang around JREF, but to be honest this was the only post I was really messing with, with the exception of the Christian vs. Sketic...so if you don't see me around don't call an ambulance or anything.

 

[turtle]

("may have been?" uh huh.)

Perhaps you know more than I do about the length of time during which Jewish history was entirely oral. Yes, "may have been millenia". Do you have a closer figure?

Oh. Then you're not a Christian.

As an anthropologist, you should learn that there is not a single block of beliefs, including on the divinity of Jesus, which defines a Christian. As I said, I know at least one highly-respected Christian minister who also does not believe Jesus was divine.

I don't want to tick off anyone here, I thought this thread was to be done? Not sure...but, I can't resist!

(just an aside, I'm not an anthropologist, just like I'm not a musical comedy star -- although both resise within me and need to come out at times.)

But, it seems to be that the core foundation of being a Christian is that one believes in the divinity of Jesus Christ. If you don't believe that, you're not a Christian. You might be some new off shoot or something, but not a Christian.

/QUOTE] Since you profess ignorance on the range of Christian beliefs, it seems odd for you to pass judgement on who is and isn't allowed to call themselves a "real" Christian.

Did I profess ignorance? Hmmm...

I said I'm not a Christian. (by the way, I went to Catholic School for 8 years.)

I don't know about all the denominations, true.

But see above. Anyone, Christian or non, knows that for one to be a Christian, one needs to accept its basic foundational beliefs. Christ being LORD being GOD is the most basic of them all.

Might be a peach of guy. Fine. Doesn't sound like a Christian to me though. Not that I care, except for sake of argument.

So now you're an expert. This no longer sounds like a person with idle curiosity.

I didn't say I was an expert. I'm expressing my opinion. You're passing judgement on what amount of interest one should have on a given topic, it seems.

Yet he's a minister, he leads a large, thriving flock, who feel he provides for their spiritual needs, he's highly respected in his denomination (which is mainstream). The elected leaders of his denomination heard him out and decided he was still qualified to be an ordained minister in their denomination. Why do you feel the urgent need to go in there and defrock him as "not a Christian"?

I don't have an "urgent need." Hey, aren't you being emotional and adding extra words, you know, extrapolating, lol?

I'm sure lots of people love him. Believe in his version. Groovy. Who am I to argue? I'm not stopping him or anyone from believing in anything, am I? I'm just saying, doesn't sound like Christianity to me.

Absolutely. I find that completely interesting. Fact is, we do have "nine million theologies" ....

So I tried to tell you. But when I didn't fit your pre-conceptions, you suddenly decided you were an expert on which theologies were and weren't allowed in the spectrum.

Yeah, fine, so you say. Yawn.

Newsflash: In every denomination, a million people will give you a million different answers about their beliefs, and all will call themselves Christians. That's just part of the messy business of being human beings.

Hmm, still, they tend to cling to one or the other, and there are slight variations on nit picky things, but the general idea is, if you're a Baptist, you're not a Roman Catholic, etc. shrug.

 

[turtle]

Before you go off and martyr yourself, turtle, you'll kindly note a second name sitting directly next to yours, very nearly the only two names talking at each other for a page and a half.

It seemed an accurate description...

Hey, don't play the "don't play the victim card with me" game. I'm not "martyring" myself. I didn't bring it up.

Ian hasn't contribued to this, now has he?

I can't help it if religion is one of my favorite debate topics, don't read the thread if it bores you, jump in any time with insights of your own if you like.

 

[Moose]

I can't help it if religion is one of my favorite debate topics, don't read the thread if it bores you, jump in any time with insights of your own if you like. [/B]

Since you've asked so nicely, here's an insight for you: JREF has set aside a lovely forum for your "[one of] favorite debate topics". Why not take this up there among people who actually want to discuss this stuff?

Enjoy.

 

[turtle]

Since you've asked so nicely, here's an insight for you: JREF has set aside a lovely forum for your "[one of] favorite debate topics". Why not take this up there among people who actually want to discuss this stuff?

Enjoy.

At the risk of appearing a "martyr" and or victim, I didn't start this thread, ... so fine. Humpf. Next time I'll check in with others to be sure it's okay I post, lol. Anyone wants to continue talking about religion go over there then. I wonder who's there? (goes off to see . . .)

'kay. Here's the link, for those who care:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=53611

 

[Moose]

True, you didn't start the thread. Gecko did, and until he got buried, the thread was brisk, civil, and remained entirely on topic: scepticism, critical thought, and the paranormal.

Look, I'm really not trying to pick on you here (seriously), but the JREF maintains a dozen forums for clarity. Something for just about everybody, easily located by topic of interest.

Nagging over.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Yeah, whatever. Care to post the specific example? Dr. "A"

I did, of course. And there's no point in pretending I didn't, because everyone can read the posts and see that you're lying.

For example, the stupid troll posts...

... you moronic clown vile filled filthy liar.

 

[turtle]

Originally posted by turtle
Yeah, whatever. Care to post the specific example? Dr. "A"

I did, of course. And there's no point in pretending I didn't, because everyone can read the posts and see that you're lying.

Hey, you! Back the flippin' fig off, you loser. What a dipwad you are. You are so d*** tiresome. Don't you have anything better to do than waste time and space and bore everyone with your non stop assualts?

Originally posted by Dr Adequate
For example, the stupid troll posts...

quote:

Originally posted by turtle
I am not "making up" your "viewpoint." I am trying to understand what you are saying, and trying to get you to be clear. Do not evade the question.

... and then immediately afterwards quotes the answer rppa gives to the question she asked, just in case we couldn't check for ourselves that she was lying,

You're not too bright are you? Now why would I post a reply to something that allegedly "proves" I was "lying?"

and that rppa has not "evaded the question". But she has lied and lied again and again about the contents of people's posts on this forum, and it seems that the shame of being exposed again and again as a stupid, pathetic, malicious liar does not deter her --- I don't know why. Perhaps, for some people, lying is its own reward.

Ya know, there's a difference between not understanding someone, and "lying." I've told you this before. Are you too dense and stupid and dull to know this? Seems you are. Idiot.

You know this of course, you vile, filthy, dirty, malicious pompous clown of an ass, rof.

Your trolling and flaming is ridiculous, pathetic, slightly amusing, irritating, and pathetic.

Didn't you already say all this?

Originally posted by turtle
... you moronic clown vile filled filthy liar.

Your point? I just requoted your own words to me. And? So? We care? Not.

Was all this worth it, you poor bored pathetic loser you?

Jesus Christ, get a life you pompous ass. (another quote.) Like I said, if it's okay for you to post this tripe and abuse and the mods seem to think it's fine, I'm flinging it back. I don't have room for this nonsense, I don't keep it in my yard.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Your defense seems to be that every time you attribute a stupid gibble of nonsense to someone as their opinion it's 'cos you're too dumb to understand them.

Then try a little harder, or go away.

 

[Dr Adequate]

You're not too bright are you? Now why would I post a reply to something that allegedly "proves" I was "lying?"

Wow. Your insane fantasies about human motivations now apparently encompass yourself.

"Now why" would you "post a reply" to something that "allegedly proves" you were "lying"? You don't know? Is that a mystery to you?

Someone explain to turtle why she wouldn't want to be thought a liar.

 

[turtle]

Wow. Your insane fantasies about human motivations now apparently encompass yourself.

"Now why" would you "post a reply" to something that "allegedly proves" you were "lying"? You don't know? Is that a mystery to you?

Someone explain to turtle why she wouldn't want to be thought a liar.

You're really quite the little gnarled gnome of a psycho-path, aren't you?
AREN'T YOU??!!!

You f****** nutcase you.

Give it up. It's going nowhere, babe. NOWHERE.

Loser.

Oh, sorry. Make that "filthy dirty vile maliscious pompous ass of a clown" loser, ROF.

 

[turtle]

Your defense seems to be that every time you attribute a stupid gibble of nonsense to someone as their opinion it's 'cos you're too dumb to understand them.

Then try a little harder, or go away.

You know, if you weren't so hell bent on being such a rude nasty smelly snarly little skeptoid, I would. But then what fun would you have if I left?

Sorry, you're not a moderator, you have no power here, little man.

Now go play with your 'adequate' little self, and let the rest of us continue on.

 

[turtle]

You're really quite the little gnarled gnome of a psycho-path, aren't you?
AREN'T YOU??!!!

You f****** nutcase you.

Give it up. It's going nowhere, babe. NOWHERE.

Loser.

Oh, sorry. Make that "filthy, dirty, vile, maliscious-moronic pompous ass of a clown" loser, ROF.

 

[arthwollipot]

I'm unsubscribing this thread. It was interesting once.

 

[Winny]

I'm unsubscribing this thread. It was interesting once.

Well I was kinda hoping to continue with Gecko, but I think he's lost interest and now I have too.

The whole thing went from interesting to tedious to offensive in a page or so.

Turtle & Dr A, you are peas in a pod. Please make your way to the flame room.

 

[turtle]

Well I was kinda hoping to continue with Gecko, but I think he's lost interest and now I have too.

The whole thing went from interesting to tedious to offensive in a page or so.

Turtle & Dr A, you are peas in a pod. Please make your way to the flame room.

Hey, pay attention. I didn't start any of this with Dr. A. He's been at me, and after me, since the moment I started posting here at JREF. The mods don't do anything about it. Reasoning with him didn't do any good. Am I to just take his crap? I am in no damn "pod" with that rude vile psycho flame-bee troll.

If you need further proof, he's already followed me to the thread on religion in the appropriate place, and posted to me.

Relax. You spoke too soon anyway. I put him on ignore, so your whining about me being in the same "pod" as Dr A was for nothing, lol.

Sheesh.