Ilhan Omar's Opponent Wants Her Hung

[Donal]

At some point, you should probably just accept someone is not interested in a good faith discussion and stop helping them derail the conversation.

That said, have any Republicans denounced these statements?

 

[carlitos]

I think the difference between the average republican politician and Stella is that she seems to honestly believe this crazy stuff as opposed to just cynically advancing conspiracy theories for political advantage.

She's got the crazy real bad. The Republican CT grifters are much more reprehensible, because they know what they say is bogus and they still do it.

She claimed to support QAnon as well, back in the summertime, and one of her staffers later said that she wasn't a real supporter, just doing it to attract supporters.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rep-i...n-conspiracy-theorist?source=articles&via=rss

 

[TurkeysGhost]

She claimed to support QAnon as well, back in the summertime, and one of her staffers later said that she wasn't a real supporter, just doing it to attract supporters.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rep-i...n-conspiracy-theorist?source=articles&via=rss

This is the same lady who tried to shoplift 200+ items at once and claimed to have no recollection of it due to being in a mental illness crisis. Her state of mind and intent are probably in constant flux.

This lady gets way too much attention. She hasn't even cleared the primary yet. Anyone can register for a primary. It's not really accurate to describe her as Ilhan Omar's challenger unless she secures the nomination.

Other nutbags are also running. Laura "chain myself to Twitter's door" Loomer is running in Florida. That seems much more like a publicity stunt, or as a hail Mary attempt to force social media companies to allow her back on after being banned (being a political candidate and all).

 

[Stacyhs]

Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Go peddle your outrage and your conspiracy theories somewhere else.

Please identify what "conspiracy theories" I have 'peddled' in my post. If I did so, you should have no problem identifying them.

I repeat: please identify what 'conspiracy theories" I have "peddled".

 

[theprestige]

I repeat: please identify what 'conspiracy theories" I have "peddled".

Sorry, I missed this earlier. Here you go:

Rather than acknowledging that Stella obviously has mental problems and that her fantasies of Omar's 'treason' are a result of those problems, you imply there is some basis to them. Unless she's "actually proven guilty of treason"?

Do you think using "so to speak" absolves you from not so subtly promoting this conspiracy theory?

Your theory is that I'm conspiring to promote a conspiracy theory about Omar's "treason".

 

[theprestige]

have any Republicans denounced these statements?

It seems that Stella is perennially crazy. The most sensible course of action is probably to ignore her statements. Validating them as campaign rhetoric that needs to be addressed would probably just make the situation worse.

 

[Belz...]

Sorry, I missed this earlier. Here you go:



Your theory is that I'm conspiring to promote a conspiracy theory about Omar's "treason".

Excuse me. Could you highlight the relevant parts? I see nothing in Stacy's post that talks about or implies conspiracy theories.

 

[theprestige]

Excuse me. Could you highlight the relevant parts? I see nothing in Stacy's post that talks about or implies conspiracy theories.

The whole post is Stacyhs's theory. I'm not going to highlight the whole post. Theory is that I'm conspiring to promote something.

 

[carlitos]

I can haz congresshunal seet?

The Star Tribune reports Stella was arrested again in April after allegedly stealing $40 in cat food from a Cub grocery store. A police report says she told an officer she forgot to pay.

 

[theprestige]

I can haz congresshunal seet?

Have any Republicans denounced her crimes?

 

[Planigale]

So this woman appears to be a bit of nutcase. For a non-US person how and why has the party accepted her as a candidate? Does the party have no preliminary filters to say that if you want to be on the party ticket you have to meet some basic criteria like not being a criminal. I can understand that anyone should be able to throw their hat in the ring as an independent or create their own party (in the UK there are a number of 'mad' parties like the monster raving loony party and UKIP, but generally the main parties try to keep out nutters).

 

[Giordano]

Accusing someone of a horrible act for which there is zero evidence is immoral and slimy. To further call for the death penalty makes it outright despicable and, under the circumstances, highly dangerous and likely to invoke violence. To make up this story to fan religious and ethnic prejudice just to gain political advantage? Well, I don’t have words adequate to label the accuser... The “If true” is a gutless rhetorical dodge. If my uncle was my aunt...

In terms of logic: zero evidence in favor of a proposition and zero evidence against it does not make the probability of the proposition 50/50! There is zero evidence I can fly by flapping my arms and zero evidence against it, but...

Many people have had their lives and careers destroyed by evidence-less accusations. I don’t find this type of character assassination anything but evil.

 

[carlitos]

So this woman appears to be a bit of nutcase. For a non-US person how and why has the party accepted her as a candidate? Does the party have no preliminary filters to say that if you want to be on the party ticket you have to meet some basic criteria like not being a criminal. I can understand that anyone should be able to throw their hat in the ring as an independent or create their own party (in the UK there are a number of 'mad' parties like the monster raving loony party and UKIP, but generally the main parties try to keep out nutters).

I don't believe that a party has to "accept" you as a candidate. You declare yourself a candidate, and then you go about getting signatures to get on the ballot or whatever.

I think that declaring any legal requirements to be part of the political party like "can't be a criminal" would be unconstitutional, but I could be wrong about that.

 

[theprestige]

So this woman appears to be a bit of nutcase. For a non-US person how and why has the party accepted her as a candidate? Does the party have no preliminary filters to say that if you want to be on the party ticket you have to meet some basic criteria like not being a criminal. I can understand that anyone should be able to throw their hat in the ring as an independent or create their own party (in the UK there are a number of 'mad' parties like the monster raving loony party and UKIP, but generally the main parties try to keep out nutters).

Political party membership in the US is opt-in. The party's candidate can be anyone who presents themselves to the party for consideration. The gatekeeping mechanism is a secret ballot of all the registered party members (in some states, all the registered voters who wish to vote, regardless of party). Party leadership has zero say in whether a citizen is allowed to put themselves forward for consideration.

 

[Ziggurat]

As a follow-up for both theprestige and carlitos's post, the parties do have some leverage with candidates. In particular, political parties can provide support both in the form of money and expertise which can be critical for candidates running for office. And the parties can refuse to provide both to a candidate who steps out of line. It's very, very hard to win an election if the party doesn't support you. But the party still can't kick you out, and it's possible to win an election without the support of the party.

 

[Hellbound]

There is zero evidence I can fly by flapping my arms and zero evidence against it, but...

Actually, that's not quite true. Or rather, it's only superficially true.

There is a LOT of evidence against it: what we know of aerodynamics, past attempts at un-powered flight by others, previous personal performance (you've never done it before), no existing exemplars, etc, etc.

 

[Cabbage]

Sorry, I missed this earlier. Here you go:



Your theory is that I'm conspiring to promote a conspiracy theory about Omar's "treason".

She never said you were "conspiring" to promote anything, just that you were giving Stella some undeserved credibility with your word choice, "unless she's actually proven guilty of treason."

Disagree? I challenge you to provide a quote supporting your claim you were "conspiring" to do anything....yet another challenge you will absolutely fail to meet and instead choose to pretend like I never issued it, because your position can't be defended and you damn well know it.

 

[Cabbage]

Have any Republicans denounced her crimes?

Does it matter anymore? Whether some have denounced her crimes or not, what's relevant (and you would realize this if you were engaging in good faith) is that far too many Republicans are perfectly OK with her crimes, Trump's crimes, or the crimes of any Republican any more.

 

[theprestige]

She never said you were "conspiring" to promote anything, just that you were giving Stella some undeserved credibility with your word choice, "unless she's actually proven guilty of treason."

Fair enough. I inferred the "conspire" part from context and body of work. I've answered Stacy's question, but I'm not going to defend the claim. Since it's not working for you, I withdraw it. Stacy, I'm sorry for accusing you of peddling a conspiracy theory. In reality you were just making an unfounded accusation against me, based on a misreading of what I meant by "so to speak".

Disagree? I challenge you to provide a quote supporting your claim you were "conspiring" to do anything....yet another challenge you will absolutely fail to meet and instead choose to pretend like I never issued it, because your position can't be defended and you damn well know it. : rolleyes :

Cool story, bro.

 

[Suddenly]

Thank you! Pictures are hung, people are hanged.

Ever see Blazing Saddles?