If Operation Northwoods had been implemented...

[defaultdotxbe]

Is it possible that a government conspiracy could be carried off under your watch? Would you recognize it, or would you sit here and continue to belittle every conspiracy theorist for exposing a crime?

of course, anything is possible, liek today i came from work and instead of opening my door i walked into it, but my molecules lined up perfectly wit hthe doors molecules and i passed right through

is it possible? theoretically yes, but i still dont think anyone would believe me


9/11 is a similar situation, could it be a US government conspiracy so flawlessly executed that it fools 99.9% of the science and engineering community? yes, but its so unlikely that you will need extraordinary evidence to convince people, the truth movement has yet to provide such evidence

 

[defaultdotxbe]

You deliberately wrote a silly, spam-like post

wrong, xena wrote nothing, the entire OP is c/p'd from killtowns blog

 

[cisco]

Why is it irrelevant? The conspiracy plan of Operation Northwoods is a fact, so it is relevant.

Get over your hatred skeptic...

Why did you reply to this statement and not the 3 different questions I've asked you in this thread?

And is calling me a skeptic your attempt at an insult? Frankly, I'm proud.

 

[SezMe]

We can't get a hummer in the oval office these days without making months worth of national news.

Exactly. One minute after the stain was deposited, two people knew about it. One year after the stain was deposited, two people in the whole world didn't know about it.

 

[XenaWarriorPrincess]

No, you didn't.

You deliberately wrote a silly, spam-like post citing a pathetic and ridiculous source (killclown - it doesn't get much worse than that!) on a matter that has long been debated and resolved. You were looking for nothing but a reaction, just like other spammers and twoofer idiots before you (in all of their sockpuppet glory).

Sorry, but I'm not going to waste my time on you and your obvious troll-like behaviour. Frankly, anyone who cites killclown as a source is not even remotely credible, and there is no legitimate reason for anyone to put any time or effort into a comprehensive response to such drivel.

Perhaps you should try posting your nonsense at tinhat forums and leave the real world to others. Your fellow tinhatters are pretty quick to accept nonsensical claims at face value, no matter how ridiculous they are and no matter that they are wholly and completely unsupported by facts or evidence.

You'll have more luck there.

Wow, thanks for the compliments. It's wonderful to see such open minded individuals here.

You spend your time debunking 911 "truthers", correct? Do you only resort to personal attacks when don't have an argument of any substance, or is that always your method? I actually thought that a couple of you might stop and think for just a moment that a conspiracy could be implemented and you would not know it. Regardless of your beliefs surrounding 911.

No matter what, I know that I can always count on the skeptics in keeping the truth alive!!!

 

[LashL]

wrong, xena wrote nothing, the entire OP is c/p'd from killtowns blog

Ah, even more telling. One loon cut and pasted its entire post from another (or perhaps its own) loon site. Not surprising in the least. But the point remains: stupidity all around. Serious stupidity, at that.

 

[LashL]

<blather>

Pfft. It is unfortunate for you that you can't even convince your fellow tinhatters of your ridiculous theories, but you certainly are not fooling anyone here.

Nice try, but you really should go back to trying to convince your fellow tinhatters of your nonsense, as they are the most gullible group on the planet and the only ones that you have any hope of convincing of your ridiculous assertions.

You won't find any such idiocy here.

ETA: Even your fellow tinhatters have you batting only about 0.001 and that is probably the best that you can ever hope to accomplish, even among idiots.

Pretty sad for you, really.

And as I said at the outset, there is no purpose or legitimate reason to engage in discussion with you if the best you can do is the stupid post that you opened this thread with, so I won't waste any more time on your obvious trolling.

See you.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Why is it irrelevant? The conspiracy plan of Operation Northwoods is a fact, so it is relevant.

If Operation Northwoods is "relevant", then so is Deep Throat. Watergate was small potatoes, yet it was uncovered in what; less than a year?. Where is your 9/11 equivalent of Deep Throat? Why has no one with real knowledge, in the past 6 years, come forward and exposed "the truth"?

 

[tsig]

Did you read the article.... Seriously?

I actually expected a little more from you skeptics.

Why don't you set your preconceived notions aside and address the substance of the article... or is that too difficult for you all?

There is no substance to the article.

See by saying that I have just as much credibility as you.

 

[tsig]

Not all of us worship Alex Jones... In fact some of us can and do think for ourselves.

If there isn't enough information to answer the question, then you are missing the point completely.

Is it possible that a government conspiracy could be carried off under your watch? Would you recognize it, or would you sit here and continue to belittle every conspiracy theorist for exposing a crime?

When will you start thinking for yourself?

I see JAQing

 

[332nd]

If Operation Northwoods had been implemented, do you think the skeptics would have tried to expose it, or tried to defend its official story?

Yes if facts showed that Northwoods" had been implemented.

Do you think they would have been fooled by the many rumors spread by clandestine radio?

Nope. Again, facts would have backed the truth up.

Do you think they would have figured out that the captured Cubans saboteurs inside U.S. bases were really friendlies?

Facts.

Do you think they would have been duped by the U.S. burning their own aircraft, lobbing mortar shells in their own base that damaged some installations, sabotaged their own ships in the harbor, and conducting funerals for mock-victims?

facts.


Do you think they would have known that Cuba didn't blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay?

Do you think they would have been hoodwinked by the unmanned vessel that was blown up in Cuban waters near Havanna and thought that the Cuban planes and ship that were coming to just investigate the intent of the vessel had attacked it?

facts.

Do you think they would have found out that the U.S. air/sea rescue operation of this vessel was a pretend evacuation of remaining members from a non-existent crew?

fac... You know what? Facts for all after this. We (even those who , like me, DON'T have the scientific background) take an honest look at the evidence for F-A-C-T-S. When we don't find said facts in the evidence that the CT's present, we move on. Even if we hate the admin in charege, we move on, EVEN if we hate the general style of government in America, we move on. We don't clutch Stanislavsky's "Magic What IF". We. Move. On.

 

[Pookster]

Wow, thanks for the compliments. It's wonderful to see such open minded individuals here.

You spend your time debunking 911 "truthers", correct? Do you only resort to personal attacks when don't have an argument of any substance, or is that always your method? I actually thought that a couple of you might stop and think for just a moment that a conspiracy could be implemented and you would not know it. Regardless of your beliefs surrounding 911.

No matter what, I know that I can always count on the skeptics in keeping the truth alive!!!

(emphasis added)

It's one thing to be open minded. It's another to be so open minded that your brain falls out of your head.

 

[SpitfireIX]

What facts, specifically, regarding Operation Northwoods did KT get wrong?

The fact that Northwoods was designed to fool the Soviets and the UN long enough for the US to get rid of Castro, and there is no indication that the plan was expected to be kept secret in perpetuity.

5. The suggested courses of action appended to Enclosure A are based on the premise that US military intervention will result from a period of heightened US-Cuban tensions which place the United States in the position of suffering justifiable grievances. World opinion, and the United Nations forum should be favorably affected by developing the international image of the Cuban government as rash and irresponsible, and as an alarming and unpredictable threat to the peace of the Western Hemisphere.

6. While the foregoing premise can be utilized at the present time it will continue to hold good only as long as there can be reasonable certainty that US military intervention in Cuba would not directly involve the Soviet Union. There is as yet no bilateral mutual support agreement binding the USSR to the defense of Cuba, Cuba has not yet become a member of the Warsaw Pact, nor have the Soviets established Soviet bases in Cuba in the pattern of US bases in Western Europe. Therefore, since time appears to be an important factor in resolution of the Cuba problem, all projects are suggested within the time frame of the next few months.

Further, killclown's entire premise is clearly that skeptics argue against conspiracy theories merely for the sake of being skeptical, when in fact we argue against them because there is no credible evidence in their favor, and mountains of evidence against. killclown evidently assumes that had Northwoods been carried out, there would have been a similar lack of evidence of a US government conspiracy, which is wholly unsupportable.

 

[Quad4_72]

of course, anything is possible, liek today i came from work and instead of opening my door i walked into it, but my molecules lined up perfectly wit hthe doors molecules and i passed right through

You must teach me....

And Xena that's quite enough.

 

[1337m4n]

Hey Xena, I've got a hypothetical question for you.


If al-Quaeda outright came out and admitted to carrying out the 9/11 attacks, and NIST wrote a paper explaining the collapses of the Towers perfectly, and all of the country's major scientists and engineers agreed with the NIST explanation, and there was not one whistleblower after 6 years claiming to have been part of a 9/11 inside job, and the people promoting the idea that 9/11 was an inside job regularly used proven lies and distortions in their arguments...

...would you still believe 9/11 was an inside job?

 

[abenja1]

If Operation Northwoods had been implemented, do you think the skeptics would have tried to expose it, or tried to defend its official story?

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2008/01/if-operation-northwoods-had-been.html

Well guess it didn't happen, end of story. A 60 year old declassified document has absolutly nothing to do with today.

 

[Drudgewire]

I've got a question:

If Godzilla was real and appeared near New York City, would it have knocked that city down like it did so often to Tokyo?

Please never mention Godzilla and New York City in the same sentence again. It brings back terrible, terrible memories for any and all Godzilla fans.

 

[CurtC]

Fail

 

[T.A.M.]

back for another round of baseless speculation, accusation, and truthspeak are we XWP.

a yellow card already...not looking good.

TAM

 

[stateofgrace]

Not all of us worship Alex Jones... In fact some of us can and do think for ourselves.

Really? Then why don't you think for yourself and answer your own question? Why are you asking this question here,if you are capable of thinking for yourself?

What facts, specifically, regarding Operation Northwoods did KT get wrong?

Any ideas?

Or do you want others to do the thinking for you ?Any chance at all you will apply some level of critical thinking to your own questions, or is that too much to ask?

Maybe you are too busy calling out those who do it for you.