If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong. Part II

DGM said:
Do you really think AE is interested in a new investigation? What have they actually done to achieve that goal? Collect names and keep them to themselves?
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While I wish AE911TRUTH did more "investigating", to the extent that a private entity can, Richard Gage's presentations give more than enough reasons for there to be a comprehensive government-funded investigation into the possibility of insider involvement in the destruction of the three towers. Many of this forum probably like to mention the room full of AIA members who almost unanimously rejected the idea of a new investigation, but that makes no difference. The NFPA 921 lists many signs of explosive destruction and arson that eerily describe the WTC. That's all you need. Like, it doesn't matter if you think it's waste of taxpayer's money, it should most certainly happen.
 
MicahJava said:
If there was no CD, than certainly NIST won't reject my latest FOIA request for transcripts of their interviews with the fire chiefs who directed the evacuation of WTC 7. What's there to hide?

I am not a "believer" in anything.
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Thus the antenna has nothing to do with Cole. ?

No, you some times take BS from 9/11 truth and fail to see it is BS. There was no CD on 9/11, and your FOIA will not change reality. 9/11 truth is like JFK CTs, RFK CTs, and exactly like Bigfoot claims; evidence free and BS.

Tilting at CD with BS. Cole is BS.
 
FalseFlag said:
What else is someone supposed to do when presented with sheer absurdity and nonsense?
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What nonsense? What has AE actually done to achieve the goal of a new investigation? They collect names they don't share with anyone able to achieve the goal. They collect money and spend it on collecting more money.

Dig deep............Gage needs a new pair of shoes.
 
beachnut said:
The first video looks like the building fell as a unit; what is the difference, there was no CD, and Cole's claims are idiotic evidence free. Cole's experiments must be a joke and Cole has to be doing BS experiments to fool idiots so he can read comments by idiots who believe his CD nonsense.

The failed thread is an attempt to push fantasy by Cole, and expose the lack of physics skill in 9/11 truth followers.

FF has failed to come up with support for Cole's failed claims. Must be a prank to see how many useless posts can be made to get replies.
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I'd say check out the videos that show the closest view of the North Tower. It's been 10 years and you aren't antiquated with the photographic record of 9/11? You can see with the naked eye the antenna falling before the perimeter on most up-close videos, no matter the angle.
 
MicahJava said:
While I wish AE911TRUTH did more "investigating", to the extent that a private entity can, Richard Gage's presentations give more than enough reasons for there to be a comprehensive government-funded investigation into the possibility of insider involvement in the destruction of the three towers. Many of this forum probably like to mention the room full of AIA members who almost unanimously rejected the idea of a new investigation, but that makes no difference. The NFPA 921 lists many signs of explosive destruction and arson that eerily describe the WTC. That's all you need. Like, it doesn't matter if you think it's waste of taxpayer's money, it should most certainly happen.
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Like what reasons?

NFPA 921? You really should study what that means before you fall for "truther" BS..........:rolleyes:
 
FalseFlag said:
We don't have one yet.
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Why not? What's taking so long? Almost 16 years of failure and more people believe in Bigfoot than 9/11 truth, that's a pathetic record, why can't you do better?



Go to AE911T if you want to help get it started.
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Sorry , I'm not an IQ challenged dolt willing to give that clown Dick Gage any of my money.



No. I thought about it, but I would rather spend my free time here doing what I do.
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But I though you said you were obsessed with getting a new investigation? Considering the lurkers don't seem to be supporting you how is trolling here everyday getting you to that goal?
 
beachnut said:
Thus the antenna has nothing to do with Cole. ?

No, you some times take BS from 9/11 truth and fail to see it is BS. There was no CD on 9/11, and your FOIA will not change reality. 9/11 truth is like JFK CTs, RFK CTs, and exactly like Bigfoot claims; evidence free and BS.

Tilting at CD with BS. Cole is BS.
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FOIA will not change reality? Well, it could certainly hone our understanding of a historical event. Since NIST probably asked the fire chiefs specific questions about WTC 7, I'm willing to bet they talked about a certain "engineer" who was on the scene.

If there isn't some kind of investigation or inquiry into the identity of this engineer, every adult alive on 9/11 will die and people will debate about it forever until some questions are answered. Unfortunately, there's a chance that records about who he was was lost in the destruction of WTC 7, since firefighter Michael Currid said that he said he was from the Office of Emergency Management.
 
MicahJava said:
While I wish AE911TRUTH did more "investigating", to the extent that a private entity can, Richard Gage's presentations give more than enough reasons for there to be a comprehensive government-funded investigation into the possibility of insider involvement in the destruction of the three towers. Many of this forum probably like to mention the room full of AIA members who almost unanimously rejected the idea of a new investigation, but that makes no difference. The NFPA 921 lists many signs of explosive destruction and arson that eerily describe the WTC. That's all you need. Like, it doesn't matter if you think it's waste of taxpayer's money, it should most certainly happen.
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Richard Gage is a complete idiot, anyone believing his moronic nonsense should seek psychiatric help immediately.
 
MicahJava said:
FOIA will not change reality? Well, it could certainly hone our understanding of a historical event. Since NIST probably asked the fire chiefs specific questions about WTC 7, I'm willing to bet they talked about a certain "engineer" who was on the scene.

If there isn't some kind of investigation or inquiry into the identity of this engineer, every adult alive on 9/11 will die and people will debate about it forever until some questions are answered. Unfortunately, there's a chance that records about who he was was lost in the destruction of WTC 7, since firefighter Michael Currid said that he said he was from the Office of Emergency Management.
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Why don't you contact these fire chiefs yourself? Stop being so lazy.
 
DGM said:
Like what reasons?

NFPA 921? You really should study what that means before you fall for "truther" BS..........:rolleyes:
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I am not saying that the NFPA 921 mandates investigations. Can't argue with that since most of the evidence from the WTC was destroyed legally. My point is that it lists characteristics of foul play that apply to the WTC.
 
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MicahJava said:
While I wish AE911TRUTH did more "investigating", to the extent that a private entity can, Richard Gage's presentations give more than enough reasons for there to be a comprehensive government-funded investigation into the possibility of insider involvement in the destruction of the three towers. Many of this forum probably like to mention the room full of AIA members who almost unanimously rejected the idea of a new investigation, but that makes no difference. The NFPA 921 lists many signs of explosive destruction and arson that eerily describe the WTC. That's all you need. Like, it doesn't matter if you think it's waste of taxpayer's money, it should most certainly happen.
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Gage, Richard Gage is a liar or an Idiot. His claims of CD have no evidence, and are BS; he has fooled you with BS.

The WTC towers, a gravity collapse cause by massive fires, and the energy released by the tower was equal to more than 100 2,000 pound bombs, your BS claims are not based on any understanding of physics of the falling WTC towers. Both towers released the energy of over 200 2,000 pounds bombs.

The WTC fires up to collapse released more heat energy than 2,700 Tons of thermite, or TNT if you wish, and you can convert this to Joules if you wish.

Thus your BS claims in this post not only fail to support Cole's claims of CD, they offer no insight into anything but complete ignorance of physics, fire, engineering...
Why are you gullible, proved by using Gage's lies and your BS as a need for a new investigation.

Cole's and Gage's CD claims are lies. And I have seen the video, and it is proof of no CD;; thus your antiquated BS of CD remains a fantasy born in overwhelming ignorance, as 9/11 truth idiots like Gage lie saying he/they have overwhelming evidence - and you can't find it, you failed to find Gage's overwhelming evidence for CD; why is that? Are you unable to do simple research to comprehend Gage lies about 9/11?

You take BS from 9/11 truth and think it has value - your last failed exposing shallow research was thinking 77 flew around the Pentagon... Why can't you support the failed experiments of Cole? Same reason?
 
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MicahJava said:
I am not saying that the NFPA 921 mandates investigations. Can't argue with that since most of the evidence from the WTC was destroyed legally. My point is that it lists characteristics of foul play that apply to the WTC.
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No it doesn't. If you think it does and warrants investigation, make your case.

You're as wrong on this as the people that claim the NTSB should have reconstructed the aircraft.
 
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FalseFlag said:
OK. What caused the roof of WTC to instantaneously become unsupported for 8 stories?
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Welds broke lower down and the steel toppled over sideways and kicked out the foundation
Then the Top fell inward and landed on the steel, leaving the Granite wall on top.

Oh and here are your experiments that prove Cole Wrong.
http://Structural_Analysis_Lab.pdf

There are thousands more on bolt and weld sheer, the main point being Cole's models are structurally too strong compared to the real even, to demonstrate the motion he is attempting to model.
His connections are too strong, and his gravitational derived energy, too low he has not duplicated or attempted a logical duplication of the events that took place on 9/11/2001.
He never will attempt an accurate model, because there is no money in it for him.
 
ProBonoShill said:
Richard Gage is a complete idiot, anyone believing his moronic nonsense should seek psychiatric help immediately.
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I have seen many of his presentations online, and most of what he says is backed up by the NFPA 921. As in, he describes characteristics of the WTC destruction that are signs of intentional destruction.
 
beachnut said:
Gage, Richard Gage is a liar or an Idiot. His claims of CD have no evidence, and are BS; he has fooled you with BS.

The WTC towers, a gravity collapse cause by massive fires, and the energy released by the tower was equal to more than 100 2,000 pound bombs, your BS claims are not based on any understanding of physics of the falling WTC towers. Both towers released the energy of over 200 2,000 pounds bombs.

The WTC fires up to collapse released more heat energy than 2,700 Tons of thermite, or TNT if you wish, and you can convert this to Joules if you wish.

Thus your BS claims in this post not only fail to support Cole's claims of CD, they offer no insight into anything but complete ignorance of physics, fire, engineering...
Why are you gullible, proved by using Gage's lies and your BS as a need for a new investigation.

Cole's and Gage's CD claims are lies. And I have seen the video, and it is proof of no CD;; thus your antiquated BS of CD remains a fantasy born in overwhelming ignorance, as 9/11 truth idiots like Gage lie saying he/they have overwhelming evidence - and you can't find it, you failed to find Gage's overwhelming evidence for CD; why is that? Are you unable to do simple research to comprehend Gage lies about 9/11?

You take BS from 9/11 truth and think it has value - your last failed exposing shallow research was thinking 77 flew around the Pentagon... Why can't you support the failed experiments of Cole? Same reason?
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Can you debunk the NFPA 921? You don't need Gage or Cole or anybody to justify an investigation into insider foul play, only that. Passages from the NFPA 921 eerily describe the WTC destruction.
 
MicahJava said:
While I wish AE911TRUTH did more "investigating", to the extent that a private entity can, Richard Gage's presentations give more than enough reasons for there to be a comprehensive government-funded investigation into the possibility of insider involvement in the destruction of the three towers. Many of this forum probably like to mention the room full of AIA members who almost unanimously rejected the idea of a new investigation, but that makes no difference. The NFPA 921 lists many signs of explosive destruction and arson that eerily describe the WTC. That's all you need. Like, it doesn't matter if you think it's waste of taxpayer's money, it should most certainly happen.
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Accelerants like Jet fuel cause those effects, so investigation over.
 
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