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If gold is such a good investment...

Almo

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If gold is such a good investment...
And this is because it is inherently a store of wealth...
And this is not part of the Greater Fool* idea...

Why are the people who are investing in it shouting from the mountain tops about how good an investment gold is? That just drives up the price by creating demand. Wouldn't they be better off quietly buying up gold at as low a price as they can?


* Where people who buy gold only hope to profit by selling it on to a greater fool who will pay more than they did
 
If gold is such a good investment...
And this is because it is inherently a store of wealth...
And this is not part of the Greater Fool* idea...

Why are the people who are investing in it shouting from the mountain tops about how good an investment gold is? That just drives up the price by creating demand. Wouldn't they be better off quietly buying up gold at as low a price as they can?

* Where people who buy gold only hope to profit by selling it on to a greater fool who will pay more than they did

this is a fair and intelligent question, I wasnt expecting that round here ;)

these things run in cycles and are intertwined with history and monetary cycles. as others will no doubt tell you, gold isn't always a good investment, there have been long bouts of languishing, and doing nothing, plus one notable drop from on high, (1980) but we are firmly back in the metals cycle now, and will be until the worst of the troubles are over, and frankly they are only just getting warmed up.

if you really want to understand, I would seriously suggest that you make time and watch the video here, all the way through

if you do that and can argue / debunk or teach me anything, I will be all ears, and if you are right I will also be grateful, seriously. but I also doubt it.

there will definitely come an optimum point to swap from metals to RE & /or stocks again, but it is not yet, not by a long way.

and why are we telling everyone else? again, I can only speak for myself, but its because I'm nice, and I'm genuinely trying to help, my family, friends and anyone else who will listen and let themselves be helped.
 
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If gold is such a good investment...
And this is because it is inherently a store of wealth...
And this is not part of the Greater Fool* idea...

Why are the people who are investing in it shouting from the mountain tops about how good an investment gold is? That just drives up the price by creating demand. Wouldn't they be better off quietly buying up gold at as low a price as they can?


* Where people who buy gold only hope to profit by selling it on to a greater fool who will pay more than they did

Exactly.

It's interesting to note that I don't start threads telling everyone what a great investment Coca-Cola or IBM is (used as examples only. I may or may not own/have owned these stocks). I wonder why? My own theory is that they need validation from fellow gold bugs. "I'm doing the right thing, aren't I"?
 
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Gold is not an investment; gold is just one safe haven to maintain purchasing power during periods of inflation. For example, when gasoline* doubles in price solely due to political machinations, one does not have to suffer the consequences of the reduced purchasing power of the dollar/euro/yen ...


* - See corn, wheat, rice, soybeans, copper, steel, lead, silver, ...
 
and why are we telling everyone else? again, I can only speak for myself, but its because I'm nice, and I'm genuinely trying to help, my family, friends and anyone else who will listen and let themselves be helped.

In your case, I think I believe this. :)
 
Gold is not an investment; gold is just one safe haven to maintain purchasing power during periods of inflation.

mostly, but not always, there are certain (very occasional) times in history where a huge wealth transfer takes place, with wealth rotating out of one asset class and into another. inbound..

almo said:
In your case, I think I believe this.

cheers ;)
 
there will definitely come an optimum point to swap from metals to RE & /or stocks again, but it is not yet, not by a long way.

Funny, I think I've heard that exact same comment about every bubble market since the Tulip Mania of 1637.
 
If gold is such a good investment...
And this is because it is inherently a store of wealth...
And this is not part of the Greater Fool* idea...

Your second assumption is wrong. Gold is not inherently a greater store of wealth than any other mineral, such as silver, aluminium, tin, chrome, etc.

Gold has a high value because people value gold highly.
But it's mostly used to store wealth and for decoration...

Wikipedia said:
The consumption of gold produced in the world is about 50% in jewelry, 40% in investments, and 10% in industry.

If people suddenly lost faith in gold's ability to store wealth, and started using aluminum bronze (which has an appealing gold color) instead of gold in jewelry, the price of gold would plummet to a tiny fraction of it's current value.

Gold is not an investment; gold is just one safe haven to maintain purchasing power during periods of inflation. For example, when gasoline* doubles in price solely due to political machinations, one does not have to suffer the consequences of the reduced purchasing power of the dollar/euro/yen ...

The rising cost of a single commodity alone wouldn't be reason to buy gold, since you'd have to convert it back into local currency before you can spend it. If the price of gold remained unaffected by the increase in the cost of the commodity, there would be no benefit in storing your wealth in the form of gold.

But inflation, yes. Assuming that the inflation-adjusted price of gold remains steady, it's like a tax-free investment that gives you a return exactly the same as the current level of inflation. (Which, most of the time, is only a few percent.)

Mostly people buy it in the expectation that the price of gold will rise (or that their currency will lose value, which often amounts to the same thing).

But the price of gold can be volatile. Checking this site, I see that gold has fallen 5% in value in the last 20 days, and dropped more than 10% in September. (Although it's also risen a lot during other times)

Looking at the 10 and 15 year graphs, the price of gold appears to be growing on a (more or less) smooth curve.

But looking at the 30 year graph, it jumps up from 200 (USD/oz) to 800 in the late 70's, before falling back to 400 where it remained for 30 years, gradually declining to about 250 in the year 2001, before suddenly rising at an alarming rate to over 1800 in the space of a decade.

To my amateur eye, it almost looks like we're in some kind long-term bubble that could burst at any moment.

But a bit of web-searching suggests to me that the reason the price of gold started rising so fast may have something to do with the Washington Agreement on Gold that began in 1999, where the central banks of many major nations agreed to limit the sale of gold. This agreement currently expires in 2014.
 
Funny, I think I've heard that exact same comment about every bubble market since the Tulip Mania of 1637.

Brian-M said:
To my amateur eye, it almost looks like we're in some kind long-term bubble that could burst at any moment.

Gold is not in a bubble. Please see my post HERE explaining this
 
Your second assumption is wrong. Gold is not inherently a greater store of wealth than any other mineral, such as silver, aluminium, tin, chrome, etc.

I'll just note that this is not my assumption, rather it is an argument I have heard a lot from other people. But I'm aware this is a minor point. :)
 
And of course no one ever said that about any of the other many, many bubble markets in the past?

said "what" ? showed that there is not excess capital flowing into the area?

that in fact the percentage of funds is tiny compared to other financial "products" ?

that the ratio between money printing and price is perfectly in line?

said what exactly?
 
And of course no one ever said that about any of the other many, many bubble markets in the past?

and while we are at it, where is the counter argument/evidence that it is a bubble?

why is the onus always on me to prove a negative?
 
this is a fair and intelligent question, I wasnt expecting that round here ;)

Then why are you here? Really, if you expect that everyone here is unintelligent and unfair, you should go elsewhere. Find some nice place where intelligent, fair people gather and will learn from your great store of knowledge.

Insulting the whole forum, of which you are a subset, is neither fair or intelligent.
 
Almo, Scrut, Brian-M,

It's really very simple - let me dumb it down for you:

1. Buy shiny, yellow metal
2. ????????
3. Profit

Hope that helps!
 
Then why are you here? Really, if you expect that everyone here is unintelligent and unfair, you should go elsewhere. Find some nice place where intelligent, fair people gather and will learn from your great store of knowledge.

Insulting the whole forum, of which you are a subset, is neither fair or intelligent.

lol. well, I was really just going on the previous 3 weeks worth of snidey one liners and oh-so-superior know-it-all put downs when I wrote that.

it was a pleasant surprise.

why I am I here? I am looking for intelligent discussion on various subjects, which as I have alluded to has not been very forthcoming (with a few notable exceptions) whenever the G word is mentioned.

people don't have to agree, but politeness and answers with actual content would have been good.

instead this is fairly typical

Almo, Scrut, Brian-M,

It's really very simple - let me dumb it down for you:

1. Buy shiny, yellow metal
2. ????????
3. Profit

Hope that helps!
 
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