If Elected, Would Warren Be the First Native American President?

[casebro]

I cringe when I see that.

Me too. Their factual name is First Immigrants.

 

[eeyore1954]

I cringe when I see that.

I guess it is a generational thing. When I posted that it wasn’t with malice. Every Native American acquaintance I had referred to themselves as Indian although they usually would also refer to their tribe.
I looked up and found the same thing the younger generations usually don’t use the term “Indians”, one did mention first immigrants.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I wouldn't expect an Australian to understand a joke premised on a uniquely American situation, but this might help:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1998/10/05/comment-6543

Yes, I certainly understood your "joke". It got the response we Australians give such "jokes".

Try harder.

 

[dudalb]

What next Prestige,? Some knee slappeers about Sand Creek and Wounded Knee?

 

[theprestige]

What next Prestige,? Some knee slappeers about Sand Creek and Wounded Knee?

I wouldn't dream of putting a laughing matter like Elizabeth Warren's ancestry on par with a real tragedy and a black mark on America's history like Wounded Knee. What prompted you to make such a connection?

 

[WilliamSeger]

I wouldn't dream of putting a laughing matter like Elizabeth Warren's ancestry on par with a real tragedy and a black mark on America's history like Wounded Knee. What prompted you to make such a connection?

Trump tweet (last month): "If Elizabeth Warren, often referred to by me as Pocahontas, did this commercial from Bighorn or Wounded Knee instead of her kitchen, with her husband dressed in full Indian garb, it would have been a smash!"

 

[Stacyhs]

I can't believe anyone is still discussing Warren's ancestry.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I can't believe anyone is still discussing Warren's ancestry.

Wow. It's like you don't get to see ANY of Donny's tweets in the last few days.

 

[Belz...]

I can't believe anyone is still discussing Warren's ancestry.

Well, we've got to distract from policy somehow.

 

[Stacyhs]

Wow. It's like you don't get to see ANY of Donny's tweets in the last few days.

I try not to.

 

[Norman Alexander]

I try not to [read any of Donny's tweets].

Then...

a) They are germane to the thread, and
b) Probably a good idea these days.

 

[Stacyhs]

I don't have to read Donny's latest tweets re Warren to know what his game is. That's been evident for a long, long time.

 

[ponderingturtle]

No.

I don't believe in claiming some tiny portion of your ancestry as your ethnic identity.

Also Obama isn't the first black president. He's (maybe) the first mixed black (Kenyan) and white American president.

Of course this means that all those African Americans are wrong about being black due to the % white they are from masters raping their slaves.

 

[Venom]

Of course this means that all those African Americans are wrong about being black due to the % white they are from masters raping their slaves.

I don't think it's a fair comparison.

Obama is straight up mulatto, if we wanna use that word. I just think it's funny how people seem to want to only recognize his black side. Any deeper conversation about ethnic makeup ends after you place the subject in one checkbox.

 

[Drewbot]

By her criteria, i'll bet Obama wasn't the first African American President.

And I don't mean Bill's honorary title.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I don't think it's a fair comparison.

Obama is straight up mulatto, if we wanna use that word. I just think it's funny how people seem to want to only recognize his black side. Any deeper conversation about ethnic makeup ends after you place the subject in one checkbox.

And when he walks in anywhere what do people see? A black man. He is not any less black than if say a black child was adopted by white parents, that wouldn't make said child not black now would it?

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

I don't think it's a fair comparison.

Obama is straight up mulatto, if we wanna use that word. I just think it's funny how people seem to want to only recognize his black side. Any deeper conversation about ethnic makeup ends after you place the subject in one checkbox.

If we treated people with varying levels of melanin differently, you might have a point. Black is black if you're brown enough, no matter how many paleface parents you have. We are not far off from a set of pale children (with black eyes) being abruptly relegated to Black status by their mother confessing that one of her parents was actually black. Suddenly they couldn't use the pool anymore and their friends wouldn't talk to them.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Here's a shaded box from white to dark brown. Please mark on it exactly once where you think "dark" skin is dark enough to make someone "black" and above which they are "white".

 

[theprestige]

Here's a shaded box from white to dark brown. Please mark on it exactly once where you think "dark" skin is dark enough to make someone "black" and above which they are "white".



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Show us how it's done. What do you think the shade is, for a person of color to be Prime Minister of Australia?

 

[Norman Alexander]

Show us how it's done. What do you think the shade is, for a person of color to be Prime Minister of Australia?

There's no "right" answer to guess here.

I asked posters who are debating who is "black" and who is "white" to identify where they thought the dividing line between them was. So there's a graded bar - pick the dividing point.

Are you interested in making any attempt?