If Al Qaeda Planned 9/11...

[PhantomWolf]

I sdont know about the morning flights being used because they were less full, according toi what i have read, those flights, historically, had a high amount of seats sold(quite unlike what was actually the case on 9/11)a wierd fact in and of itself.

I suggest you stop reading CT sites that never get their facts right, the truth is that two of the four flights had significantly more or just over the average loading of people as normal, while the other two planes were carrying less people than they had normally for Tuesday mornings, only 93 had an "unusual" low for figures take over the 3 months prior to 9/11. None of them had a particluarly high average either. Usual figures based on the previous 3 months were 11 @ 39%, 175 @ 49%, 77 @ 33% and 93 @ 52%. On 9/1 they were 51%, 33%, 33%, and 20%.

I wonder why the "terrorists" didnt try and fly into a nuclear power plant. No matter the outcome, it would have had a huge effect on American mindset, and possibly dire consequences on millions of people

It was raised by Atta when targets were being selected. Bin Laden rejected it because he believed that the reactor could not be breached and that hitting other things woiuld have more effect.

The towers were chosen(by whoever the planners were)because they are well known to most people, and the shock and awe of seeing them that morning had its desired effect.

No, the Towers were chosen because they were a symbol of the US economy and because KSM's nephew has failed to bring them down 8 years before.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

I wonder why the "terrorists" didnt try and fly into a nuclear power plant. No matter the outcome, it would have had a huge effect on American mindset, and possibly dire consequences on millions of people

Might be one reason to avoid anyway...

 

[PhantomWolf]

By coincidence a Frencj news crew was filming in Manhattan and caught the first plane hitting. As far as I know that is the only video of the first impact.

Documentary film crew, not news.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Fact is that the three buildings that were hit were all easily identifiable from the air and all three had great significance as far as representing American power and wealth.

The Twin Towers represented the US economy, the Pentagon it's Military might, and the Capital Building its political power.

 

[apathoid]

I suggest you stop reading CT sites that never get their facts right, the truth is that two of the four flights had significantly more or just over the average loading of people as normal, while the other two planes were carrying less people than they had normally for Tuesday mornings, only 93 had an "unusual" low for figures take over the 3 months prior to 9/11. None of them had a particluarly high average either. Usual figures based on the previous 3 months were 11 @ 39%, 175 @ 49%, 77 @ 33% and 93 @ 52%. On 9/1 they were 51%, 33%, 33%, and 20%.

Also bear in mind that these Tuesday averages were compiled in the previous three months, summertime, which is the busiest air travel season far and away. It would be expected that the numbers were a bit lower in September.

 

[roundhead]

Also bear in mind that these Tuesday averages were compiled in the previous three months, summertime, which is the busiest air travel season far and away. It would be expected that the numbers were a bit lower in September.

From CNN:

They were very low loads, especially when we only had 37 passengers on the flight that went down near Pittsburgh,'' said Liz Meagher, a United Airlines spokesperson. "I'm sure we are looking at this as a blessing and I'm sure it is being investigated as well.''


Industry sources said post-Labor Day isn't normally a strong time and air traffic is off this year, but passenger loads on the four flights are off about 20 percent from similar routes last September.



-- The numbers appear out-of-whack, thankfully. And so, a lingering question is why the passenger loads on the four planes hijacked in U.S. skies are being described by industry officials as "very, very low.''

Is it simply incredible fortune that more people weren't aboard the commercial airliners used as deadly missiles? Is it just another tidy piece of a large, well-executed terrorist act?

Is it further reflection of an already reeling U.S. economy?

Or, contrary to airline denials, did the hijackers purchase a large chunk of seats that went unused?

 

[apathoid]

From CNN:

They were very low loads, especially when we only had 37 passengers on the flight that went down near Pittsburgh,'' said Liz Meagher, a United Airlines spokesperson. "I'm sure we are looking at this as a blessing and I'm sure it is being investigated as well.''


Industry sources said post-Labor Day isn't normally a strong time and air traffic is off this year, but passenger loads on the four flights are off about 20 percent from similar routes last September.



-- The numbers appear out-of-whack, thankfully. And so, a lingering question is why the passenger loads on the four planes hijacked in U.S. skies are being described by industry officials as "very, very low.''

Is it simply incredible fortune that more people weren't aboard the commercial airliners used as deadly missiles? Is it just another tidy piece of a large, well-executed terrorist act?

Is it further reflection of an already reeling U.S. economy?

Or, contrary to airline denials, did the hijackers purchase a large chunk of seats that went unused?

Yes, the load factors on three of the four flights were very, very low. No one is disputing this. But in the greater context(Tuesday AM, crosscountry flights) the loads are quite normal. They may be 15-20 % low for UA93 and 15-20% high for AA11, but nothing out of the ordinary. Please move on, roundhead.

Oh and you forgot the source..

 

[Senenmut]

and wanted to create maximum impact and terror, why would they not choose flights that coincided with when the towers were full? Does anyone wonder whether there was a specific reason for choosing these particular flights?

Anyone want to consider this question without resorting to flippancy or contempt? Surely this raises an interesting point as to their motivation and planning?

i believe i read they hit "secure computer rooms" too. the only problem was that the people above the impact got caught because the stairwells were out of service.

 

[Bell]

Only the second aircraft into the south tower was live on TV Jane.
By coincidence a Frencj news crew was filming in Manhattan and caught the first plane hitting. As far as I know that is the only video of the first impact.
there were no videos of Flights 93 or 77 either.

Not a newscrew, but the Naudet brothers, making a documentary about a rookie firefighter.

There are actualy THREE video's of AA11, althought one is from a webcam and the other shows the North Tower and explosion in the distance.

 

[gumboot]

"The all-knowing all-seing Jihadis should have planned every single detail of the attack down to the most infinite detail, and any anomaly that breaches my own preconceived notion of their motives is damning evidence that they didn't commit the attacks."

It's very hard to take such ridiculous arguments seriously.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

My first thought when I heard about the attacks was that bin Laden did well to get it live on TV. Perfect mass media manipulation.

All I said was that I thought bin Laden was good at mass media manipulation.

Heh. Of all things you could credit OBL with, you choose the one thing that was an absolute certainty given the situation. As if there was a chance that those events wouldn't have been broadcast live if they had occurred at any other time of the day.

 

[Bell]

Heh. Of all things you could credit OBL with, you choose the one thing that was an absolute certainty given the situation. As if there was a chance that those events wouldn't have been broadcast live if they had occurred at any other time of the day.

In other news: the World Trade Center is still burning.
Back to you...

 

[T.A.M.]

I am sure this topic has been covered at least once elsewhere on the forum.

1. Flights were transcontinental so as to have max fuel for impacts.
2. Flights were likely chosen for their lack of passengers (Tuesday very early morning).
3. Their goal was symbolic, as there were targets they could have chosen that would have had much more impact on human carnage.

TAM

 

[beachnut]

and wanted to create maximum impact and terror, why would they not choose flights that coincided with when the towers were full? Does anyone wonder whether there was a specific reason for choosing these particular flights?

Anyone want to consider this question without resorting to flippancy or contempt? Surely this raises an interesting point as to their motivation and planning?

UBL said he would kill Americans.

They studied our country and found it is easy to take over aircraft by killing the pilots and running the planes into buildings.

Total cost, room and board, pilot training the in states (irony) where most people come for serious training, and box cutters.

The plot: kill pilots, take planes, crash into large buildings. Tough plan! Wowzer

UBL made up the most complicated plot that you and 9/11 truth can’t handle. Of course I thin his college education took.

The towers had thousand of people who left, so your false ideas are garbage. Does 9/11 truth try to understand anything?

They may of chosen the flights because they had the large amounts of fuel and they took off near the targets, this is why they did not fly from the west coast to the east coast.
They had to do all the flights at the same time or surprise was out the window.

7 years and you are just learning about 9/11? 9/11 truth always starts off asking questions, and then they spew delusions. What is your next step?

 

[johnny karate]

I wonder why the "terrorists" didnt try and fly into a nuclear power plant. No matter the outcome, it would have had a huge effect on American mindset, and possibly dire consequences on millions of people.

Perhaps because "they" knew "they" would need the complicity of local fire departments, and "they" found the FDNY to be the most cowardly and susceptible to coercion, as you have clearly demonstrated.

 

[johnny karate]

Not a newscrew, but the Naudet brothers, making a documentary about a rookie firefighter.

A film produced by and made in cooperation with members of the FDNY.

And yet JihadJane seems incredulous to its authenticity, considering it part of "mass media manipulation".

Another Truther implicating firefighters in their crackpot, paranoid theories.

What a shock.

 

[beachnut]

... I wonder why the "terrorists" didnt try and fly into a nuclear power plant. No matter the outcome, it would have had a huge effect on American mindset, and possibly dire consequences on millions of people
...

Because some of the terrorist attended college and know reactors are hardened for attacks and for protection. The terrorists do not have delusions about reality like 9/11 truth.

What a stupid target.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I wonder why the "terrorists" didnt try and fly into a nuclear power plant. No matter the outcome, it would have had a huge effect on American mindset [...]

How so? While the loss of the lives of those on the planes would still be tragic, it would be nearly equivalent to flying the plane into a mountain. A bit more frightening than an accident, sure, but not nearly as horrific as flying into 3 occupied buildings.

[...] and possibly dire consequences on millions of people

Not likely.

 

[Bobert]

I dont know about the morning flights being used because they were less full, according to what i have read, those flights, historically, had a high amount of seats sold(quite unlike what was actually the case on 9/11)a wierd fact in and of itself.
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That is because the NWO had SEVERAL key AIRLINE PERSONNEL and all they had to do was pick up the phone and say "HEY LOWER THE SEATS COUNTS ON THESE 2 PLANES!......AND DONT ASK ANY QUESTIONS OR WE TAKE AWAY THAT PENSION OF YOURS!....AND DONT TELL ANYONE ABOUT THIS CALL!"

 

[Bobert]

Or, contrary to airline denials, did the hijackers purchase a large chunk of seats that went unused?

WOW dude you think practically everything is a CT especially if one of your dopey delusion filled masters proclaims it such.
Oooooooh "airline denials" has such a salacious (look it up) ring to it!!!
The neuron's in your brain must all have tiny little tin foil hats on them.