Idiot right winger claims to have been assaulted.

[leftysergeant]

At a recent town hall on the health care issue, a group of right wing agitators attempted to storm their way into an already over-filled room and then started snivelling that they were assaulted. One creep appears to have torn his own shirt and scratched himself to support this claim.

He was, however, not peacefully assembling with his fellows. From the moment he appeared on camera, he was acting outside the limits of the law.

I hope his scratches get infected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kxaGfClPws

 

[applecorped]

No bias here.

 

[corplinx]

"You know who else was faking it? Christopher Reeve. It was part of the right wing plot to undercut stem cell research by having the star of Superman 4 associated with it"

 

[tyr_13]

I saw a bunch of shouters trying to disrupt a town hall meeting and being ejected. I don't know if the green shirt guy did it to himself, but the police officer there didn't seem to be too concerned. He likely had it happen while he was trying to unlawfully force his way in.

 

[Thunder]

At a recent town hall on the health care issue, a group of right wing agitators attempted to storm their way into an already over-filled room and then started snivelling that they were assaulted. One creep appears to have torn his own shirt and scratched himself to support this claim.

He was, however, not peacefully assembling with his fellows. From the moment he appeared on camera, he was acting outside the limits of the law.

I hope his scratches get infected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kxaGfClPws

Wow. I've never used the term before, but it appears these guys were just a bunch of aggitators...out to aggitate things.

"Hear our voice"??? How about you let others talk first.

Freedom of Speech doesn't mean others have to listen to you when you DON'T respect the freedom of speech of those you oppose.

This was not democracy in action. This was a bunch of folks being willfully disruptive to STIFLE speech...not be part of it.

 

[Bob Klase]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kxaGfClPws

You sure that's the correct link? I wasted 3 minutes watching it and didn't see anything that you're talking about (ie snivelling or making claims about assault).

He was, however, not peacefully assembling with his fellows. From the moment he appeared on camera, he was acting outside the limits of the law.

If you're talking about this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLpHbD5cy0s&feature=related

I still don't see any evidence he's outside the law by being on camera.

 

[corplinx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnT3Uevy5rU

Here you can see the thugs muscling the guy up in the corner. Supposedly part of the problem is that that they wouldn't let people fill in the room. They held seats on the front rows and stuffed them with union astroturf.

From what I have viewed, after the thugs shoved the people standing out, all control and decorum left on the inside vanishes as people shout and use the name of Penn and Teller's show liberally.

 

[DC]

crazy

 

[corplinx]

Can anyone else see one of these things getting out of control when the legimate dissenters, the loyal defenders, some fringe nutjobs, and some union thugs all converge in a stuffy room?

 

[Neally]

Freedom of Speech doesn't mean others have to listen to you when you DON'T respect the freedom of speech of those you oppose.

This was not democracy in action. This was a bunch of folks being willfully disruptive to STIFLE speech...not be part of it.

Right. Just like these Code Pinkers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aAU76bqL4Y

 

[tyr_13]

Right, like those idiots. Only I think the recent nutters have more sponsors.

 

[gtc]

Is this the same incident?

ETA. I think that one is from St. Louis, the one in the O.P. is from Tampa.

 

[corplinx]

Is this the same incident?

Wow. When Obama said he wanted his supporters to punch back, they took him literally.

 

[Alt+F4]

First of all, these "town hall meetings" on health care should be canceled until participants learn to behave like adults and stop all the name calling. This isn't democracy in action, it's like a second-grade school yard fight. Secondly, The New York Times had a good opinion piece on the whole embarassing mess today:

Am I the only one to suspect that the debate over health care has turned into a nationwide avant-garde performance based on “Rashomon”? Everyone has his or her individual truth, and feels that everyone else is not just wrong, but is lying with the basest of motives. So, from these individual truths, are we gaining any understanding of the objective big picture? Or are we, like the four tale-tellers in Kurosawa’s film, simply looking out for ourselves?

LInk:
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/weekend-opinionator-a-sick-debate/

 

[leftysergeant]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnT3Uevy5rU
Here you can see the thugs muscling the guy up in the corner. Supposedly part of the problem is that that they wouldn't let people fill in the room. They held seats on the front rows and stuffed them with union astroturf.

Hog snot. There were people standing inside, and where did anyone see empty chairs up front? I didn't.

From what I have viewed, after the thugs shoved the people standing out, all control and decorum left on the inside vanishes as people shout and use the name of Penn and Teller's show liberally.

Total BS. They were chanting already when the attempt was made to close the doors. The room was full. It would have been illegal and unsafe to admit any more people, especially a bunch of ranting sociopaths looking for a way to harrass a politician for whom they would never vote to begin with.

And where the hell do people get the idea that these were SEIU and ACORN people? I saw uniformed security officers in the door way several times.

The only person I saw actually attack another was green shirt punk. He was pushing his way in and even tried to get around behind the cop.

He should have been hauled out in shackles just for that. I hope he gets Staph a in his scratches.

 

[leftysergeant]

Can anyone else see one of these things getting out of control when the legimate dissenters, the loyal defenders, some fringe nutjobs, and some union thugs all converge in a stuffy room?

"Legitimate dissenters" do not arive at the venue chanting their BS slogans. Everyone within arm's reach of the door was heckling the staff.

I'd have slammed the door before they got that close.

The Astroturfers are a threat to public safety and should be arrested when and where identified.

 

[The Painter]

"Legitimate dissenters" do not arive at the venue chanting their BS slogans.

Yes they do. That is not illegal. Maybe you approve of the "Free Speech Zones" they used at both party conventions. You can say anything you want, just do it over there where no one can hear you. Is that what you like?

 

[Random]

First of all, these "town hall meetings" on health care should be canceled until participants learn to behave like adults and stop all the name calling. This isn't democracy in action, it's like a second-grade school yard fight. <snip>]

Well, that's pretty much the goal of the insurance companies. Stop liberals from getting their heathcare proposals out to the public, and make sure that only insurance company complaints are heard.

 

[leftysergeant]

You sure that's the correct link? I wasted 3 minutes watching it and didn't see anything that you're talking about (ie snivelling or making claims about assault).

I had some computer problems. I got the link to his crime to post, but for some reason, couldn't get his snivelling lies to link before I left for work.

If you're talking about this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLpHbD5cy0s&feature=related

Yes, that was the one I had tried to put up following the first clip[. He was outside the law because he was tresspassing after the people in charge inside made the determination that the room was already filled to capacity. He was trying to physically shove his way through any way. It is against the law to do so, and for good reason. The Fire Marshal in each juriosdiction, sets a number of people who can safely occupy a room on the basis of eas of egress and available space. Once you have reached this limit, any emergency situation becomes exponentially more life-threatening with each extra body in the room. You reach a point where people WILL be trampled in any attempt to evacuate. If one or more of the extra bodies in the room are flaming sociopaths, the risk is even more amplified.

Green shirt guy is a flaming sociopath, and a damned aggressive one. I did not see anyone else lay a hand on him before his shirt got ripped, but I did see him getting belly-to-belly with a large man who was trying to clear the crowd out.

Then I saw him try to get around behind the cop who arrived. Cops generally do not like angry, dishevelled guys with spittle running down their chins getting between them and a door that the cops are there to secure.

Green shirt punk should just count himself lucky not to have wound up on the soup and tapioca diet in jail.

I still don't see any evidence he's outside the law by being on camera.

I believe I said that from the moment he appeared on camera he was outside the law. At all times when he is visible, he is trying to infiltrate a room that appears to have surpassed the usual Fire Marshal's occupancy limit. That means he was committing the minor misdemeanor of tresspassing, and may have actually assaulted the big guy in the white shirt.

I take far more pleasure from his discomfiture than you can imagine. I hope he does lose teeth the next time.

 

[Alt+F4]

Well, that's pretty much the goal of the insurance companies. Stop liberals from getting their heathcare proposals out to the public, and make sure that only insurance company complaints are heard.

But these shouting and shoving matches don't get anyone's message out. Name-calling such as "union thugs" and "astroturfers" doesn't advance any argument.