Idealists: What does 'physical' mean to you?

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

All thoughts and words are equally false and equally true. Some have greater predictive validity than others.

Exactly, I would just add that they also need to have a descriptive congruency within a concrete world view. These are the only differences between two propositions such as:

"The earthquake was a proof of my god being angry"

and

"The earthquake was a product of a movement under the pacific"

As the alleged historical buddha pointed out, that is all that there appears to be. The 'subjective sense of an I' is merely a conjecture that is placed over the five experients of being.

Buddhism was in so many ways more advanced than any other views at the time that it is almost painful to think what would happened to the history of philosophy and science if the most influential Buddhist philosophers were born in the west.

I really don't care if it is 'god' or 'matter'. Anything beyond a cursory glance at physics will tell you that 'matter' is just a label property ascribed to certain aspects of 'energy'. There is no 'wave/particle duality'. Quanta appear as waves all the time and in every place, the 'waveform' does not collapse, it is a 'waveform' all the time, it intersects with other waves forms to produce the effects that we label as 'matter'. Again only from appearance.

Interesting way to put it. Why the references to wave/particle duality and the collapse of the waveform?

But the models seems to suggest that 'it' is waveforms all the time, it is always 'energy'.

I would like to read more, specific readings in mind?

Whatever that is, again, I only am labeling the appearance, I think that if it is godthought, phenomena, butterfly dreams or quanta is meaningless.

Exactly, it is useless to even attempt to claim that we "finally know" what "it is".

It behaves as though it has 'subsatnce' although that 'substance' behaves as though it is 'quanta of energy'. It could be Magic Sky Pixie and the Fairy Horde. It doesn't have meaning, except as a way to label what appears to be.

We can't say anything beyond appearances and the concepts we draw to make them coherent. I don't know if it is a real story but I recall someone asking to Neils Bohr about the existence of the moon if we were not watching it, and his answer was something like: "It is irrelevant".

 

[Darth Rotor]

Time is absolute. Space is invariant. Light goes as fast as it likes and all's right with the Universe.

Christ, Athon, I don't know. Find a physicist, get him drunk and demand an explanation.

He'd most likely mutter that

"Goddidit, or maybe that other fella with the mustache did it. I forget. I'll have another Guinnes, if you please."

DR

 

[Dancing David]

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Interesting way to put it. Why the references to wave/particle duality and the collapse of the waveform?

Because they are good examples of semantic conventions which have not apparent meaning. (INMNSHO)

I would like to read more, specific readings in mind?

Not really, it just seems that some labels are prefered by me, the coherency of the energy all the time, it makes sense to me.

 

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Because they are good examples of semantic conventions which have not apparent meaning. (INMNSHO)

hehe ok, yes got it. I find it funny when people, even in this forum, begins to talk about quantum mechanics as if it proved some kind of woo (souls or telepathy) and if it was as simple as to talking about the objects of the everyday life. Both possitions are equally incredible.

Quantum mechanics are a good way to confront us with the limits of our imagination, reasoning, beliefs. Of course it is irrelevant if we understand or pretend to understand what is going on, as the rules we have depicted work. But it is funny to see how many people really believe that QM are an "explanation" and not merely a functional DESCRIPTION.

 

[tsig]

hehe ok, yes got it. I find it funny when people, even in this forum, begins to talk about quantum mechanics as if it proved some kind of woo (souls or telepathy) and if it was as simple as to talking about the objects of the everyday life. Both possitions are equally incredible.

Quantum mechanics are a good way to confront us with the limits of our imagination, reasoning, beliefs. Of course it is irrelevant if we understand or pretend to understand what is going on, as the rules we have depicted work. But it is funny to see how many people really believe that QM are an "explanation" and not merely a functional DESCRIPTION.

WOW if you got any more enlightened we could use you as a light bulb to see our way thru the impenetrable darkness of your convoluted grammar.

BDZ:
"I find it funny when people, even in this forum, begins to talk about quantum mechanics as if it proved some kind of woo (souls or telepathy)"

BDZ:
"Quantum mechanics are a good way to confront us with the limits of our imagination, reasoning, beliefs. Of course it is irrelevant if we understand or pretend to understand what is going on"


And woo to you.

 

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Sorry about that English is not my first language.

 

[tsig]

Sorry about that English is not my first language.

Then maybe you should study it more so you won't have to use it as a crutch.

 

[Dancing David]

Sorry about that English is not my first language.

Really, I never would have guessed.

 

[PixyMisa]

Really, I never would have guessed.

Yeah, no irony intended, I never would have guessed either.

 

[Bodhi Dharma Zen]

Really, I never would have guessed.

Yeah, no irony intended, I never would have guessed either.

Really? whew thanks. I would want to be able to express myself more eloquently, as I feel limited by the extension of my vocabulary, specially when dealing with some complex subjects.