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Ide/sata?

sophia8

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I'm getting a new hard drive for my puter. The present drive is an IDE; most of the internal drives on sale now seem to be SATA.
So what is the difference between the two formats? Is SATA better than IDE and should I be getting a SATA drive or not?
 
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If your computer will have only one hard drive, because you are replacing not adding a drive, then I suggest you stay with IDE. The motherboard in your computer is likely not to support booting from a SATA drive.

It is also very likely that your computer does not now have any SATA controllers, making it impossible to connect a SATA drive unless you add a SATA controller card to an available expansion slot.

If you are going to leave your original IDE drive in the computer and add a new drive for additional storage, then you could have the PC still boot from the IDE drive, add a PCI SATA controller card, a SATA drive, and drivers for the SATA card, and that should work fine.

SATA is faster but it is not so dramatic a difference in everyday use of a computer.
 
Thanks for the advice. I'd have to look up my mb's specs to find out if it supports SATA; but since I'm replacing the C drive and there's no big difference, it's easier to stick with IDE.
 
If your computer will have only one hard drive, because you are replacing not adding a drive, then I suggest you stay with IDE. The motherboard in your computer is likely not to support booting from a SATA drive.

It is also very likely that your computer does not now have any SATA controllers, making it impossible to connect a SATA drive unless you add a SATA controller card to an available expansion slot.

This would depend on the motherboard. If it has the SATA ports on the board, then more likely than not it will boot from them just fine. I've got two motherboards with an IDE port and several SATA ports, and it'll boot fine from either the IDE or the SATA channel. At the worst, you might need to slightly alter a BIOS setting to ensure the SATA device is listed under the bootable devices.

I'm not sure how booting would work with an SATA controller card, as I've never actually installed one.

I've never heard of a board that has the SATA channels onboard but won't support booting from them. That would imply that they aren't properly recognized by the BIOS (which should generaly recognize bootable devices on all the IDE channels, the SATA channels, the floppy channel, and possible the USB ports), which I would think is a Very Bad ThingTM.

Anyway, as the OP's question, it would depend on what your current situation is. If you have the SATA channels, you might as well get an SATA drive. They're common, no more expensive than the IDE interface, and offer increased performance over the IDE interface. Moreover, the cables are less of a pain in the ass to run inside the box. :) If you're happy with the IDE, then don't sweat it.

What model motherboard do you have, anyway?
 
If you can show me a computer that shipped from the factory with SATA ports onboard and no SATA drives, then I will reconsider my claim that it is most likely this computer has no SATA ports.
 
If you can show me a computer that shipped from the factory with SATA ports onboard and no SATA drives, then I will reconsider my claim that it is most likely this computer has no SATA ports.

Shipped from the factory in the last year or two, maybe not, but the OP didn't say what specifically was the situation. When I upgraded my computer about a year ago I ended up with an old IDE hard drive from the switch over and a motherboard with six or so SATA channels.

Anyway, I've seen motherboards that support SATA in a kind of marginal way (with like 2 SATA 1.5 ports), but where it wouldn't be unthinkable to ship with an IDE hard drive. *shrug*

I dunno. If the OP has to buy a controller card though, you're right that it probably won't boot from it.
 
What model motherboard do you have, anyway?
K7NF2-Raid. Yeah, old, I know, It does support SATA, though I have no idea where I put the SATA cable that came with it. I learned my PC-building skills back in the 90s, when IDE was all there was; when I got this motherboard, I had no idea of what to do with the cable and just slung it into my big box of spare computer bits (the one that's been raided by friends a few times since).
But maybe now is the time to do some more learning.....
 
K7NF2-Raid. Yeah, old, I know, It does support SATA, though I have no idea where I put the SATA cable that came with it. I learned my PC-building skills back in the 90s, when IDE was all there was; when I got this motherboard, I had no idea of what to do with the cable and just slung it into my big box of spare computer bits (the one that's been raided by friends a few times since).
But maybe now is the time to do some more learning.....

If you don't have the motherboard manual handy, download it from here and look at the layout on page 8. The SATA connectors are numbered 8 and 9 and are located right above the two IDE connectors (bottom right).

HTH :)
 
And no IDE, I assume.

I think even nowadays most motherboards come with one! IDE connector, but that's annoying when you have two IDE HDs and an IDE DVD-Burner like i had.

I ended up buying an external casing for the second HD and a SATA DVD-Burner, which was okay.

The real bummer was when I found out that my power supply (20-pin) didn't go with my new motherboard (24-pin) - on a weekend, too. :mad:
 
And no IDE, I assume.

Nope, fortunately not. All/almost all motherboards retain IDE channels for backwards compatibility with the vast number of hardware devices that are IDE-only. In particular, DVD/CD-ROM drives are still often IDE devices.
 
K7NF2-Raid. Yeah, old, I know, It does support SATA, though I have no idea where I put the SATA cable that came with it. I learned my PC-building skills back in the 90s, when IDE was all there was; when I got this motherboard, I had no idea of what to do with the cable and just slung it into my big box of spare computer bits (the one that's been raided by friends a few times since).
But maybe now is the time to do some more learning.....

Yep, you have an older model with two SATA 1.5 ports on it and two IDE channels. My guess is this is from the transition period when SATA hard drives were still uncommon.

Anyway, looking at this page, it appears that your two SATA ports are to the right of the IDE ports in the image on that site, between them and the RAM slots, under what appears to be the southbridge chip (the thing with nVidia stamped on it and no heatsink). They're small, rectangular black ports, and the SATA cable is slotted to allow insertion only in the proper direction.

According to the info on the net, SATA 3.0 drives should switch down to SATA 1.5 speeds when you hook them up, and it doesn't appear that your motherboard has a chipset that has trouble doing this. If it does, you should be able to set the drive down the 1.5 speed manually using a jumper setting on the drive.
 
Nope, fortunately not. All/almost all motherboards retain IDE channels for backwards compatibility with the vast number of hardware devices that are IDE-only. In particular, DVD/CD-ROM drives are still often IDE devices.

My newest system has none. I bought one of those USB-to-IDE cables so I could copy stuff from my old drives (my old system is unbootable).
 
My newest system has none. I bought one of those USB-to-IDE cables so I could copy stuff from my old drives (my old system is unbootable).

Wow, I'm very sorry to be proven wrong here, because that sucks ass. What motherboard is it, anyway?

I took a look through Newegg, and it looks like it's mostly Micro ATX boards that don't have the PATA ports. Is that what yours is?
 
Wow, I'm very sorry to be proven wrong here, because that sucks ass. What motherboard is it, anyway?

I took a look through Newegg, and it looks like it's mostly Micro ATX boards that don't have the PATA ports. Is that what yours is?

All I can find online is that it's "a cheaper version of the FoxConn G33M". I'm sure Dell has sold a load of these. Anyway I don't need my old drives for regular use, and don't need any other IDE devices. The USB to IDE cable (actually it's IDE or SATA, and came with a small power supply for the drives) was inexpensive, has fairly good performance, and will also allow me to easily plug a drive into a laptop.
 
All I can find online is that it's "a cheaper version of the FoxConn G33M". I'm sure Dell has sold a load of these. Anyway I don't need my old drives for regular use, and don't need any other IDE devices. The USB to IDE cable (actually it's IDE or SATA, and came with a small power supply for the drives) was inexpensive, has fairly good performance, and will also allow me to easily plug a drive into a laptop.

Well, at least it isn't causing you any problems.

Personally, I'm glad that IDE is being phased out. I much prefer the SATA interface - if for no other reasons than it's easier to run the cables and you can attach more than four devices to the motherboard. Ever want eight hard drives? Of course you have! :)
 
Well, at least it isn't causing you any problems.

Personally, I'm glad that IDE is being phased out. I much prefer the SATA interface - if for no other reasons than it's easier to run the cables and you can attach more than four devices to the motherboard. Ever want eight hard drives? Of course you have! :)

I like SATA for the easiness of the plugs. No more worries about lining up a connector in a tight space and risking bent pins, no more misshapen molex plugs or ones that need pliers to remove. Just slide and click :)
 
I like SATA for the easiness of the plugs. No more worries about lining up a connector in a tight space and risking bent pins, no more misshapen molex plugs or ones that need pliers to remove. Just slide and click :)

Don't get me started on the awfulness of the four-pin molex power connectors! Still nice to have a nice pair of needle-nose pliars to insert SATA plugs into cramped quarters, but it sure beats the hell out of trying to pull off a stuck four-pin without banging into something and damaging it.

I never had an issue with bending IDE pins, but it's too easy to do by accident, definitely.
 

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