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I walmart evil?

What does this all mean?

"on further consideration I see a potential tax-dodge. Private mileage - how close to a WalMart does a manager live? - paid as non-taxed expenses. All on the clock, and all filled-in on the forms. Just a thought."

???

Two or three managers go over together as a 'spy crew' to the nearby Loews or Home Depot or Target and bring back their results logged into small hand-held scanners with specific competitive brand-name items and prices.The whole trip takes maybe forty minutes and you get an additional $2.27 in one paycheck for the trouble. How does this translate to a tax dodge?

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Well, it's not just the way they treat their employees, but also their suppliers.

They screwed over Rubberaid, for example.

I try to avoid them, but they can be tolerable if you know exactly what you want and how to use it. If you need advice, cameras come as an example as that is close to home, HA!
 
I don't really think all Walmarts are evil, but I do think the one near me is very evil. (They don't have the lowest prices, either.) What burns me up is: they move everything around all the time so you can't find it. They treat my friends who work there like crap. The customer service is either a joke or non-existant.

I would like to see the building turned into an ice skating rink.

Mr. Amapola and I do not go there anymore and have not for several years. Every time we drive by we joke about how we are bringing them to their corporate knees by not shopping there...... :D Of course what we do makes no difference to Walmart, but it does make us feel better not to go there.

I can't speak for other Walmarts, just the one I have experience with.
 
rustypouch said:
Well, it's not just the way they treat their employees, but also their suppliers.

They screwed over Rubberaid, for example.

If you need advice, cameras come as an example as that is close to home, HA!
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How about Vlasic? I think there's a list there.
 
DavidJames said:
I never quite understood the volume of venom (VoV :)) directed at WalMart. We had one in my town, a new super center just opened and WalMart wants to open a 2nd super center. Council meetings go crazy with people trying to stop them. At the same time Target's going to open a new super Target and there isn't a peep.

If WalMart is breaking laws then that should be addressed. No one is forcing people to shop or work there.
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I never understood it either, until I realized that Wal-Mart is non-union and that's really what all this broo-ha-ha is all about.

Of course, I could be a little biased, the Wal-Marts in my area are all clean and (in the super-store variety) have better quality food than I find at my local Raley's. The products are mostly the same brand names other stores carry and usually at quite a savings.
 
jj said:
How about Vlasic? I think there's a list there.
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Yeah, I forgot about that.

It got to the point where it was either stand up for their rights and face certain bankruptcy because of lawyers' fees and loss of income, or face near bankruptcy because Wal-mart changed the deal....
 
Ah, it must be that time of year again. Another Walmart thread.

I'll summarize what I've said in similar threads of Walmart past:

1) If you don't like Walmart, don't shop there.

2) If you think they treat their employees poorly, don't shop or work there.

3) Have the common courtesy to let others make that choice for themselves.

4) If you do work there and think it sucks, stop bitching about it and get a better job.

5) Note to self: Walmart is obviously doing something right. Buy their stock.
 
I generally shop there for name brand products that are less expensive at Walmart than at other area stores. Because it's a large store, they also usually have a better selection of items to choose from than the smaller stores have on hand.

Our Walmart is clean, parking isn't a problem, and they generally have enough cashiers so that waiting in line isn't a problem, either.

If some shoppers feel that they are making the world a better place by paying more than they have to for a particular item, that is certainly their choice, of course.
 
Note to self: Walmart is obviously doing something right. Buy their stock.
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I had WalMart stock, when it was $68.
It is now $45.

Sure, buy now... some day they may again rise to the value I paid for them a few years ago!
 
Iamme said:
"Unappealing". ???? Really? How so?

What kind of things do you buy? You must not like name brand big flat screen tv's for cheap, eh? Or cheap cd's, or cheap Hanes underwear, or a cheap Ron Popeil rotissierre ovens, or cheap toothpaste, or name brand toys, or cheap snow shovels, or cheap flashlights...all name brand items that other stores have...only cheaper.

Are you for real?
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Well, honestly, I've only been in ones in small towns in Louisiana. Other people mentioned that the stores are "clean", but that was not my experience. Not dirty, just not always tidy, and the floors were generally dull with dirt and wear. In terms of selection, it was pretty clear we were near the end of the distribution chain. The selection of fresh groceries was miserable and generally of dubious quality. (Of course, that was true of the other grocery store in town - you had to drive an hour for a decent grocery store.)

Plus, I don't like my goods being examined as I'm leaving the store, as is my common experience with WalMart. They have an employee standing by the exit door, who asks to check your basket against your receipt.

My wife shops at Sam's Club, I dislike that place also, for pretty much the same reasons. However, it's useful when buying diapers and other things we actually use in bulk.

Typically, I haven't found WalMart's price differential significant on items that I buy, or I find that the price difference is hard to calculate, because the WalMart/Sam's Club item is different than can be found in other stores.

For instance, I wound up buying a Dyson Vacuum cleaner from Sam's, but that version came with a different set of attachments than any other store. Hard to compare, because I had the option of: a base model form another store for less, the upgrade model from another store for more, but with more extras, or the Sam's club model.

Oh, and thank you ysabella. I have been led to understand that WalMart's health benefits were less available than that, or I obviously wouldn't be arguing how I have. That's what I get for listening to Democracy Now.
 
shuize said:
Ah, it must be that time of year again. Another Walmart thread.

I'll summarize what I've said in similar threads of Walmart past:

1) If you don't like Walmart, don't shop there.

2) If you think they treat their employees poorly, don't shop or work there.

3) Have the common courtesy to let others make that choice for themselves.

4) If you do work there and think it sucks, stop bitching about it and get a better job.

5) Note to self: Walmart is obviously doing something right. Buy their stock.
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1 - Done.
2 - Done, same as the first.
3 - Have the common courtesy to have people make informed choices.
4 - I'll repeat what I said, sometimes the best job you can get still sucks.
5 - Go right ahead.
 
Grammatron said:
Ok let's see them in the context of capitalism:

They abide by federal and state laws do they not? IF they do why is this even an issue?
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er, what does this have to do "in the context of capitalism"?

Uhm so they are against capitalism then. They maintaining artificial market with higher local prices just by keeping Wal*Mart out.
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I guess then Manny is against capitalism as he did an excellent job of providing the same arguments I've heard.
Oh yeah, they care a lot when they build a Target in the very same place of the exactly same size.
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I have no idea what you mean.

I don't have to when you do all the work for me.
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Don't try and dodge the question. Here is your quote.

All the ones who vote to not allow Wal*Mart to open in some city ascribe to that "strawman."
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Now this time either prove it, retract it or modify it, but don't try and spin it. Here is a hint. Proving 1, 2 or 20 people believe in something does not mean "all".
 
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CapelDodger said:
I get the 350 jobs point, but did the opening of a WalMart actually create jobs? One of the reasons WalMart can shift goods at a low price is their high volume/labour ratio. Unless the new WalMart actually created new shopping, that would not otherwise have been shopped, it has presumably drawn custom away from other outlets, some of which will either go out of business - empty shop, no taxes - or "down-size head-count". So there must be a trade-off. Those 12,000 applications - they weren't all from the jobless. Some (I'd bet) were from those who felt insecure in their existing positions.
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Yes, it did create new jobs and new shopping opportunities. The area they wanted to put it in, near 87th and the Dan Ryan (which already has a new Home Depot and other stores in 2 large strip malls on either side of 87th street), is very retail-poor. It's a depressed area and apparently not many other stores were willing to locate there, and the people who live there have to travel to the suburbs or other parts of the city to go shopping.

And it's no business of the city's to protect their potential competitors (if there were any in that area) from competition, I don't know where this idea comes from.
 
pgwenthold said:
- surveys show that; people don't go to McDs for the food in any way, shape or form)
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So they go there for the free parking?

Could you post a link to some of those studies? I've never heard of them. Personally I know many people that actually like a Big Mac occasionally. They go to McDs because that's where you buy a Big Mac and it's considered food. Perhaps people that go there for the food are just a tiny percentage of the customer base. But with all the similar alternatives available (Wendy's, Hardee's, Arby's) I'm not sure what other reasons would apply to McD's that wouldn't also apply to those places.
 
jj said:
Well, I know I don't want the quality of toy, camera, or snowblower that I can get at MallWart.
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I have a Walmart near me, a Walmart Supercenter less than 10 miles away, 4 Home Depots within 12 miles, and 2 Toys'r'Us within 15 miles. If you don't want the quality of toy camera or snowblower that you get at Walmart, why would you go to any of those places- it's very often the same exact item.
 
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