I report, you decide: FOX on Santorum

jj said:


Fox News is deliberately, misleadingly slanted to the right. There remains very few, if any whatsoever, left tilted news coverage in the USA, and any that remains is relegated to quackhood.

Please stick to the facts in the future.
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You have to be kidding no left tilted news you are not only lacking the facts but logic as well.
You also ignored my example I posted more links on the matter in Sundog’s thread "The media is biased? Prove it in real time!" Thread.
http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18193
 
renata said:


You are indeed correct. However, he personally has a problem with it as he does with any acts outside of a monogomous heterosexual relationship.
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He has that right...and at the very least, you know exactly where the man stands on this issue.
 
Kodiak said:


He has that right...and at the very least, you know exactly where the man stands on this issue.
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When you say " he has that right" do you mean to say you think he is correct, or that he has a right to think that?

Assuming the latter, while being a bigot is a right, I do not want people like that in the government, espcially in the leadership position. It is is a shame that the White House and the Republican leadership is mum on this, and I hope voters of his state will remember this at the next election.

And as a side note, isn't the Republican party one of personal responsibilty and keeping government out of people's lives? How can this be reconciled with his position?
 
renata said:


When you say " he has that right" do you mean to say you think he is correct, or that he has a right to think that?

Assuming the latter, while being a bigot is a right, I do not want people like that in the government, espcially in the leadership position. It is is a shame that the White House and the Republican leadership is mum on this, and I hope voters of his state will remember this at the next election.

And as a side note, isn't the Republican party one of personal responsibilty and keeping government out of people's lives? How can this be reconciled with his position?
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Shouldn’t this topic have its own thread?
I'm not complaining but it would make a good thread to go over the issue this thread seemed to be mainly to attack Fox news
 
Baker said:
Shouldn’t this topic have its own thread?
I'm not complaining but it would make a good thread to go over the issue this thread seemed to be mainly to attack Fox news
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You are correct. I started this thread to point out what I think is an instance of biased reporting from Fox News. Many of the underlying issues discussed here deserve their own threads.
 
renata said:


When you say " he has that right" do you mean to say you think he is correct, or that he has a right to think that?

Assuming the latter, while being a bigot is a right, I do not want people like that in the government, espcially in the leadership position. It is is a shame that the White House and the Republican leadership is mum on this, and I hope voters of his state will remember this at the next election.

And as a side note, isn't the Republican party one of personal responsibilty and keeping government out of people's lives? How can this be reconciled with his position?
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The latter. I personally have no problem with open homosexuality or sexual promiscuity. To each their own...

You have every right to disagree with Santorum and oppose his reelection or the furtherance of his political career.

IMO, the GOP is anti-federal and pro-state/local control, not "keeping government out of people's lives" (unless you assume that to mean the federal government).
 
The problem is, there was more than one report from FNC on this issue. The one I saw was the televised one where Mort Kondracke accused Santorum of trying to have his cake and eat it too on this issue. The normally right leaning Mort had no love for Santorum.

I think Hannity and Colmes have also had one or more segments on this issue.
 
Baker said:

You have to be kidding no left tilted news you are not only lacking the facts but logic as well.
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You don't LIKE my logic, that's tough. You make accusations, but you provide nothing to respond to. You provide no evidence of illlogic, you simply claim it.

The facts are evident every day. That doesn't mean that 1 incident in 24 hours shows anything, but rather a concerted, obvious pattern does.

How much attention did Mr. Bills' wandering get? How much attention did "W"'s drunk driving get? How much attention did we put on the RNC's preventing people from voting.

It's clear, Baker, and you just haven't a thing to offer beyond a professional accusation.
 
jj said:
The facts are evident every day. That doesn't mean that 1 incident in 24 hours shows anything, but rather a concerted, obvious pattern does.
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Could you demonstrate this "concerted, obvious pattern." It seems you are guilty of doing what you accuse Baker of. Claiming that there is such a pattern does not make it so.

How much attention did Mr. Bills' wandering get? How much attention did "W"'s drunk driving get? How much attention did we put on the RNC's preventing people from voting.
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We got way too much of "W"'s drinking. So much they made skits about it on Mad TV and SNL.

How much coverage did we get of Bush vomiting, Dole falling, Bauer falling, Ford falling? I have seen each example so many times that I can describe each incident in detail. How much TV coverage did Janet Reno's fall get? I don't really know because I never saw the tape, I tried, I searched the news when it happened. Though one person (Mark) has said that he saw it. I wonder if anyone could describe the event compared to her little fall with the the ability to describe all of the other misshaps. I gues it was a little too embarasing for most outlets.
 
Randfan:

How much coverage did we get of Bush vomiting, Dole falling, Bauer falling, Ford falling? I have seen each example so many times that I can describe each incident in detail. How much TV coverage did Janet Reno's fall get? I don't really know because I never saw the tape, I tried, I searched the news when it happened. Though one person (Mark) has said that he saw it. I wonder if anyone could describe the event compared to her little fall with the the ability to describe all of the other misshaps. I gues it was a little too embarasing for most outlets.
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Oh yes. The pervasive media conspiracy to show only Republicans falling down, and not Democrats falling down.
 
jj said:


How much attention did we put on the RNC's preventing people from voting.

It's clear, Baker, and you just haven't a thing to offer beyond a professional accusation.
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As is clear about you politically.

Care to back your assertion with any facts? Perhaps you feel Marian Berry is not a racist, or do you have other citable incidents in mind? Until then, as some would say: poppycock -- I prefer "horsesh*t".
 
hgc said:
Oh yes. The pervasive media conspiracy to show only Republicans falling down, and not Democrats falling down.
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I have said over and over that I don't believe in any such conspiracies.

The purpose of my post was to show that there were counter examples to JJ's.

I do believe that there is a bias. However I have admited that such observations are anecdotal. Is JJ willing to acknowledge that his example is anecdotal?

I note that you didn't jump in to point out the pervasive media conspiracy to show "Mr. Bills' wandering" and give no attention to "W"'s drunk driving.
 
RandFan said:
I have said over and over that I don't believe in any such conspiracies.

The purpose of my post was to show that there were counter examples to JJ's.

I do believe that there is a bias. However I have admited that such observations are anecdotal. Is JJ willing to acknowledge that his example is anecdotal?

I note that you didn't jump in to point out the pervasive media conspiracy to show "Mr. Bills' wandering" and give no attention to "W"'s drunk driving.
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I can appreciate that you can counter jj's anecdotes with your own. I'm not here to defend jj. It's just that I don't even consider this a countering anecdote. That you didn't notice anything about Janet Reno falling down but did notice the physical bloopers of various Republican presidents and presidential candidates in the news implies that you think the news organizations (absent a conspiracy) are biased toward showing Republican physical bloopers and not Democratic physical bloopers. That is what you imply, no? I think it's ludicrous. I don't expect you to show me the evidence, because it would be very hard for you to gather, so we'll both have to resort to common sense.

As for W's drunk driving, I don't think it got too much coverage. It was revealed days before the election. It directly contradicted his previous claim never to have been arrested. Then on election day it disappeared from the news forever.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Mr. Bill's wandering." Does that refer to Clinton's sex scandals. I don't think anyone would deny they got a lot of coverage, from 1992 on.
 
hgc said:

Oh yes. The pervasive media conspiracy to show only Republicans falling down, and not Democrats falling down.
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Does anyone remember all the jokes about Jimmy Carter and the killer rabbit?
 
jj said:


You don't LIKE my logic, that's tough. You make accusations, but you provide nothing to respond to. You provide no evidence of illlogic, you simply claim it.

It's clear, Baker, and you just haven't a thing to offer beyond a professional accusation.
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I did give you evidence you just replied to one sentence out my reply.
These three links from the link to sundog’s thread.
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20020705-793139.htm
http://www.ratherbiased.com/
http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2003/cyb20030410.asp#2
 
hgc said:
I can appreciate that you can counter jj's anecdotes with your own. I'm not here to defend jj. It's just that I don't even consider this a countering anecdote. That you didn't notice anything about Janet Reno falling down but did notice the physical bloopers of various Republican presidents and presidential candidates in the news implies that you think the news organizations (absent a conspiracy) are biased toward showing Republican physical bloopers and not Democratic physical bloopers. That is what you imply, no? I think it's ludicrous. I don't expect you to show me the evidence, because it would be very hard for you to gather, so we'll both have to resort to common sense.

As for W's drunk driving, I don't think it got too much coverage. It was revealed days before the election. It directly contradicted his previous claim never to have been arrested. Then on election day it disappeared from the news forever.
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Amazing, what I think is ludicrous and what you "think" is based on common sence. ???

You got me. If it is all up to you then you win. But both examples are evidence of an individual point of view. The difference is one fits your world view and the other doesn't.

Is that common sense?

I'm not sure what you mean by "Mr. Bill's wandering." Does that refer to Clinton's sex scandals. I don't think anyone would deny they got a lot of coverage, from 1992 on.
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JJ's example. And a sex scandal coupled with the posibilty that a sitting president lied under oath is a vastly better story.

JJ's example proves nothing. I at least have the honesty to admit that my example while interesting is anecdotal and proves no more then JJ's.
 
RandFan:

Amazing, what I think is ludicrous and what you "think" is based on common sence. ???

You got me. If it is all up to you then you win. But both examples are evidence of an individual point of view. The difference is one fits your world view and the other doesn't.

Is that common sence?
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Please be clear. Do you think that, due to media bias, the physical bloopers of Republicans is more reported and of Democrats? Don't slip out of it.

That is what you implied, and what I call ludicrous and against common sense -- in my opinion.
 
hgc said:
Please be clear. Do you think that, due to media bias, the physical bloopers of Republicans is more reported and of Democrats? Don't slip out of it. That is what you implied,
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I'm not trying to slip out of a god damn thing. I have said that it is anecdotal data. It could be interpeted as being bias. But it is proof of NOTHING. Is there something about that you don't understand? That being said, My world view tends to believe that it is.

..and what I call ludicrous and against common sense -- in my opinion.
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Yes, the logical inconsitency is noted. Thank you. Unless of course you didn't mean to imply that the reporting of Clinton's sex scandal as opposed to Bush's drinking is evidence of bias.

Come on now, don't slip out of it. Are you implying that the reporting of Bush vs. Clinton is evidence of Bias?

Why didn't you give your little quip to JJ?

You have not answered my questions, absent your answer I will duly note your bias.
 
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http://www.mediaresearch.org/press/2003/press20030424.asp
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