I read about "hot saucing" on the internet

[Skeptic Ginger]

Oh, they're just saying that nobody (or at least they) knows the difference between using a word that implies swatting someone on the butt and a word that implies socking someone.

So you define hitting as "socking"?

Because I define both swatting and socking as hitting. And so did the dictionary I quoted earlier.

sock 2 (sk)
v. socked, sock·ing, socks
To hit or strike forcefully; punch.
To deliver a blow.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Spanking is a form of hitting. Like chugging and sipping are forms of drinking.

That's a fair analogy. All spanking is not necessarily mild. Some is mild, some isn't, but either way, spanking is still a form of hitting.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Connotation is everything.



Most of the time, yes. However, the skin can be reddened, the same as if your girlfriend slapped you on the cheek. Or was she beating you?

She is certainly hitting me.

No. That is beating. See, more with the connotations and the accepted use of words.



Belt? No, you don't spank with a belt. Why so over the top?

It is a traditional method of applying the punishment to children.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Re-phrase that and make sense this time, please?

We where talking about some kind of contactless spanking. So you must be practicing something like Reiki which is contactless massage. So you hit them with your chi.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I must be dense because that still makes no sense!

Go back and reread the post you replied to. He is making the arugment that spanking is not hitting, to be not hitting it would be of course noncontact. So I am trying to figure out how noncontact spanking works.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Oh, they're just saying that nobody (or at least they) knows the difference between using a word that implies swatting someone on the butt and a word that implies socking someone.

Hitting does not imply punching, it is just contacting them in a forceful manner. I mean if you saw someone give his wife a swat in the face to correct her behavior would you consider him to have hit her? Why can you not hit someone on the butt?

 

[linusrichard]

Don't know about that. If a prisoner is way out of order, truncheons come out.

Not as punishment.

Or, not as legitimate punishment.

 

[BenBurch]

Go back and reread the post you replied to. He is making the arugment that spanking is not hitting, to be not hitting it would be of course noncontact. So I am trying to figure out how noncontact spanking works.

Doh! OK. Of course the only differentiation between spanking and hitting is usually where the contact happens. It would be as silly to say that flogging is not hitting.

 

[I Ratant]

Of course it makes no sense, but some people who use spanking as discipline insist it is qualitatively different from hitting.

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Spanked, never hit, except on the playground.
And I grew up perfect.

 

[sadhatter]

Yes, it is.

I would take a guess that the poster who said it wasn't hitting or beating wouldn't like his/her boss doing it to him/her? But why, if he isn't hitting the person then what exactly is he doing wrong?

Silly logic at best.

 

[sadhatter]

No, it is not.


Unless you're going to argue that when I say I sipped a drink, you say it is the same as chugging a drink, or if I say I walked away, you say it is the same as running away. Or better yet, I bumped into you and you fell, but you tell everyone that I body slammed you to the ground.

It seems that some people know what a spank is, and some really don't.

So it is not hitting? If your boss said " sorry jim, your performance is poor today, so we are going to have to spank you. " i doubt you would agree to it. And if they proceeded to do it anyway you would most likely call the police and file an assault charge, but why , it isn't hitting.

There are not degrees of hitting someone, there are different types of hitting, like a playful hit, or even a sexual hit, but using something up to and including one's hand, with the intent to cause pain, is by any rational definition hitting and in specific, hitting with the intent to cause pain and humiliation. If not , then you should see nothing wrong with this type of thing going on in any situation in which someone could be punished, work, jail, etc. But i seriously doubt that is your opinion on the matter.

 

[Region Rat]

So it is not hitting? If your boss said " sorry jim, your performance is poor today, so we are going to have to spank you. " i doubt you would agree to it. And if they proceeded to do it anyway you would most likely call the police and file an assault charge, but why , it isn't hitting.

There are not degrees of hitting someone, there are different types of hitting, like a playful hit, or even a sexual hit, but using something up to and including one's hand, with the intent to cause pain, is by any rational definition hitting and in specific, hitting with the intent to cause pain and humiliation. If not , then you should see nothing wrong with this type of thing going on in any situation in which someone could be punished, work, jail, etc. But i seriously doubt that is your opinion on the matter.

What if your boss said, "sorry jim, your performance is poor today, so we are going to have to make you sit in the corner in time out for you to think about it", or "we're going to take some of your property so you realize what you did was wrong", or "we're going to make you write 'I will not make that kind of mistake again' 100 times", or "We're not going to give you an allowance (pay) for 2 months until you learn the value of your actions".

There are many things that parents can and must do to their kids to teach them that would not be permissible for 2 non-related adults to do to each other. The 2 are not in any way comparable.

Also, the deflection regarding the non-hitting spanking is a bit silly. I don't believe anyone ever said that spanking was non-contact. You can go off on that tangent all you want, but it gets you nowhere.

 

[ponderingturtle]

What if your boss said, "sorry jim, your performance is poor today, so we are going to have to make you sit in the corner in time out for you to think about it", or "we're going to take some of your property so you realize what you did was wrong", or "we're going to make you write 'I will not make that kind of mistake again' 100 times", or "We're not going to give you an allowance (pay) for 2 months until you learn the value of your actions".

There are many things that parents can and must do to their kids to teach them that would not be permissible for 2 non-related adults to do to each other. The 2 are not in any way comparable.

Also, the deflection regarding the non-hitting spanking is a bit silly. I don't believe anyone ever said that spanking was non-contact. You can go off on that tangent all you want, but it gets you nowhere.

The point is spanking is a specific form of hitting, and nothing you say can change that. If you spank your kids you hit your kids.

It is debatable how harmful or beneficial some forms of hitting your kids are, but this is about hitting your kids.

 

[Cavemonster]

The point is spanking is a specific form of hitting, and nothing you say can change that. If you spank your kids you hit your kids.

It is debatable how harmful or beneficial some forms of hitting your kids are, but this is about hitting your kids.

By the same dictionary literal method, the first definition of"molest" is to annoy or bother. When you tell your child for the third time to stop playing video games and do their homework, I can assure you they are annoyed and bothered. Therefore, telling your kids to stop playing video games is a form of molesting your children.

We can argue about whether it's a beneficial form of molesting your kids, but I'm going to call you a child molester while we have the discussion.

 

[Rufo]

What if your boss said, "sorry jim, your performance is poor today, so we are going to have to make you sit in the corner in time out for you to think about it", or "we're going to take some of your property so you realize what you did was wrong", or "we're going to make you write 'I will not make that kind of mistake again' 100 times", or "We're not going to give you an allowance (pay) for 2 months until you learn the value of your actions".
[...]

Society does punish adults by taking away their money, making them do work, or restricting their freedom of movement. Not in a job situation, perhaps, but in a judicial one. Of course the situations are different, and of course the punishments are not the same, but the framework for what type of punishments should be allowed or not does not differ greatly. Why should corporal punishment be an exception to this?

 

[Sherman Bay]

My mom once tried washing my mouth out with soap. I told her that she was confusing the concept of "clean and dirty" that soap tackles admirably with "clean and dirty" words that a person utters, and to equate one with the other was ridiculous. I like to think that my logic worked, cause she never did that again.

Logic and the fact that I bit her when she tried it.

 

[sadhatter]

What if your boss said, "sorry jim, your performance is poor today, so we are going to have to make you sit in the corner in time out for you to think about it", or "we're going to take some of your property so you realize what you did was wrong", or "we're going to make you write 'I will not make that kind of mistake again' 100 times", or "We're not going to give you an allowance (pay) for 2 months until you learn the value of your actions".

There are many things that parents can and must do to their kids to teach them that would not be permissible for 2 non-related adults to do to each other. The 2 are not in any way comparable.

Also, the deflection regarding the non-hitting spanking is a bit silly. I don't believe anyone ever said that spanking was non-contact. You can go off on that tangent all you want, but it gets you nowhere.

Before i respond to the rest of your post, i would like you to bold, where the deflection about non hitting spanking is in my post.

 

[wasapi]

I saw part of the video where the mother is putting hot sauce in the childs mouth AND subjecting him to a cold shower. I had to look away. To me, it was a serious case of child abuse. I would bet money now that the child will grow up to be an angry man who hates women.

It just isn't necessary. Having raised two sons, on my own, watching that video was appalling. Yes, raising children is not easy. Even the best of children act out. Yet, somehow I was able to raise two fine young men and never subjected them to hitting, yelling, hot sauce, or cold showers.

No, I wasn't the greatest single mother of all time. I made mistakes and have regrets. But from the time they were little, we sat down and talked about things that made us angry with each other. They still remember being quite young and sitting down for the three of us to have a family "meeting". We could talk about anything without fear of punishment. Imagine that . . . talking.

Julia

 

[Region Rat]

Before i respond to the rest of your post, i would like you to bold, where the deflection about non hitting spanking is in my post.

Did anyone say that spanking did not involve physical contact?

 

[Region Rat]

Society does punish adults by taking away their money, making them do work, or restricting their freedom of movement. Not in a job situation, perhaps, but in a judicial one. Of course the situations are different, and of course the punishments are not the same, but the framework for what type of punishments should be allowed or not does not differ greatly. Why should corporal punishment be an exception to this?

Yes, when you break the law. Is there a law against a parent spanking their child?