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I need serious help with this guy

Mr.Herbert said:
Heiwa and psikeyhackr are there. The land of misfit truthers.
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I have this mental image of them all on their ward - psikey staggers around drooling and yelling about mass distribution, christophera rambles on incoherently about concrete while banging on his bedframe with a shoe, heiwa draws diagrams on the wall with contraband markers of part C falling on part A and grandly expounds his structural theories to no one in particular...
 
He's a carpenter. From the sounds of it he's probably a superintendent on hi-rise residential concrete/steel buildings. The reputable colleges offer a diploma program in Construction Management in 6 semesters. An egineer or architect would get advance standing in the program and reduce it to 3 semesters. Usually carpenters with about 5 yers of demonstrated experience will be allowed into the program without a diploma or degree, but are required to complete the full 6 semesters. That's for a diploma. I've noticed some fly by night schools in Detroit are offering a certificate in Construction Management. They also seem to tout a 4 semester program. All of which leads me to believe B is probably an ambitious carpenter with a CM certificate, who thinks he's the smartest guy on the cite.

Anyways, I just thought it was funny what he was saying about NewtonsBits (I think "pencil pusher" was meant as an insult? As opposed to those hammer swinging engineers and architects? It's something only a grunt would say). NB could probably pick up the phone and make a call to B's contractor and have him busted down to vibrating concrete for the crap this guy is spewing.

Not in the same league by a long shot. (but certainly more entertaining)
 
So off topic...

sylvan8798 said:
I have this mental image of them all on their ward - psikey staggers around drooling and yelling about mass distribution, christophera rambles on incoherently about concrete while banging on his bedframe with a shoe, heiwa draws diagrams on the wall with contraband markers of part C falling on part A and grandly expounds his structural theories to no one in particular...
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Heiwa sits in a chair confused, holding a doll with a badly broken neck. The dolls head flops down, lifeless, staring at its own feet. Heiwa props the head up and lets go, but the dolls head flops to the side. He tries again. He let's go slowly and waits. For a moment the dolls eyes meet Heiwa's. Heiwa's heart races, his grip tightens around the doll. A smile begins to cross Heiwa's face. As if on cue, a summer breeze blows the curtains up from the windows that cover the southern exposure of facility. The dolls head tilts ever so slightly, pauses for a moment and then fall again lifelssly to the side. It's eyes again searching the ground below for some lost momento of its past. Heiwa rocks in his chair remanise of a once proud naval architect swaying to the swell of the seas below his feet aboard the maiden voyage of his years long work. There, alone in his chair he mutters to himself "The body supports the neck. The neck supports the head. How can the body not support the neck? The body is bigger than the neck, the body must support the neck, the neck must support the body! The body must support the head!"
 
3bodyproblem said:
Heiwa sits in a chair confused, holding a doll with a badly broken neck. The dolls head flops down, lifeless, staring at its own feet. Heiwa props the head up and lets go, but the dolls head flops to the side. He tries again. He let's go slowly and waits. For a moment the dolls eyes meet Heiwa's. Heiwa's heart races, his grip tightens around the doll. A smile begins to cross Heiwa's face. As if on cue, a summer breeze blows the curtains up from the windows that cover the southern exposure of facility. The dolls head tilts ever so slightly, pauses for a moment and then fall again lifelssly to the side. It's eyes again searching the ground below for some lost momento of its past. Heiwa rocks in his chair remanise of a once proud naval architect swaying to the swell of the seas below his feet aboard the maiden voyage of his years long work. There, alone in his chair he mutters to himself "The body supports the neck. The neck supports the head. How can the body not support the neck? The body is bigger than the neck, the body must support the neck, the neck must support the body! The body must support the head!"
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Lol... nominated. :D
 
Seconded!! I saved that link, as I think it paint a picture of him perfectly.

Sylvan, also VERY accurate. I just don't see Dylan in there anywhere. Care to add him in???
 
triforcharity said:
Seconded!! I saved that link, as I think it paint a picture of him perfectly.

Sylvan, also VERY accurate. I just don't see Dylan in there anywhere. Care to add him in???
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lol. Dylan sashays jauntily, if a bit effeminately, up and down the ward, a ragged old strip of cloth serving as a debonair neck scarf. He is largely silent, having long ago abandoned his philosophy of anything for the thrill of the spotlight. Occasionally, he hums a familiar ditty, or sidles up to his friends with a sly smirk and a wink, trying to hide his massive insecurity, but no one is fooled.

Down the hall, in a room of his own, a man known only as Ranke awakens screaming from nightmares that his head is attached to a lego person...
 
And everyone has taken his food from him.




VERY good. Very good indeed.

Can I get some applause please??
 
sylvan8798 said:
3body, whatever you do for a living, I hope creative writing is a part of it...
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Sadly no, but I see a lot of movies when I can. :)

One Flew Over The Cuckcoo's Nest comes to mind every time I read this sub-forum. The similarities between the characters in that and here is the subject of another thread.
 
sylvan8798 said:
I have this mental image of them all on their ward - psikey staggers around drooling and yelling about mass distribution, christophera rambles on incoherently about concrete while banging on his bedframe with a shoe, heiwa draws diagrams on the wall with contraband markers of part C falling on part A and grandly expounds his structural theories to no one in particular...
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this made me laugh out loud, really funny :D

thanks for that
 
The great debate is not over yet...Just delayed. I just saw him in person for the first time since we started this madness and he seemed pretty angry that I posted his crude calculations. So I offered a challenge. To finish his calculations and to have them peer reviewed by whomever he see's fit and then submit it to me (and possibly a scientific journal if it holds water).

At which point I will have a full, rediculous, heiwa-like report for you guys to smash to pieces.

I smell a stundie comin' on!!!

I will keep you guys informed...

In the meantime...Look up Travis Barton on the Examiner.com and check out my latest article (one of my first ever!!!) it compares actual conspiracies with conspiracy theories.
 
Sunray Breaker said:
The great debate is not over yet...Just delayed. I just saw him in person for the first time since we started this madness and he seemed pretty angry that I posted his crude calculations. So I offered a challenge. To finish his calculations and to have them peer reviewed by whomever he see's fit and then submit it to me (and possibly a scientific journal if it holds water).

At which point I will have a full, rediculous, heiwa-like report for you guys to smash to pieces.

I smell a stundie comin' on!!!

I will keep you guys informed...

In the meantime...Look up Travis Barton on the Examiner.com and check out my latest article (one of my first ever!!!) it compares actual conspiracies with conspiracy theories.
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Sunray.

You should have LAUGHED YOUR ASS OFF AT HIM. I mean the nelson from the simpsons laugh.

He tried to snowball you with facts and figures that were COMPLETELY wrong, but he figured you wouldn't notice it or wouldn't find his errors.

So of course he is mad you posted his CRAP here. Because it showed EVERYONE just how full of crap he is. It isn't your fault, it is his. When you do calculations, do them right. Dont' take crap numbers and then try to pass it off as "science." That is BS, and it is NOT the mark of a "friend."

Personally, I'd have been up in his face for trying to pass off crap and getting mad when you called him on it. HIS FAULT, he shouldn't have tried it in the first place. Nowhere in his email that you posted does he say, "these are rough calculations, I'm still working on." If so, he would have been handled here with more kid gloves... instead he comes on all "the math and science doesn't support NIST" and then LIED to you about it.
 
Sunray Breaker said:
UGH!!! More crap from this dude!!!


So right there you admit that if the temps reached 1800 degrees f...which is recorded and confirmed by thermal imaging, than the steel (by your own definition) is near melting point)
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Sunray, he should be addressing the details presented in the NIST report and in peer-reviewed papers, like those of Bazant. For example 'The tests by NIST (2005, part NCSTAR 1-3D, p. 135, Fig. 6-6) showed that, at temperatures 150◦ C, 250◦ C and 350◦ C, the yield strength of the steel used in the fire stories decreased by 12%, 19% and 25%, respectively. These reductions apply to normal durations of laboratory strength tests (up to several minutes).

Since the thermally activated decrease of yield stress is a time-dependent process, the yield strength decrease must have been even greater for the heating durations in the towers, which were of the order of one hour. These effects of heating are further documented by the recent fire tests of Zeng et al. (2003), which showed that structural steel columns under a sustained load of 50% to 70% of their cold strength collapse when heated to 250◦ C.

This is not speculation. It is solid engineering science.

Continuing with the stress/temp/time relationship, 'it can easily be explained that the stress in some surviving columns most likely exceeded 88% of their cold strength σ0 . In that case, any steel temperature ≥ 150◦ C sufficed to trigger the viscoplastic buckling of columns (Bazant and Le 2008). This conclusion is further supported by simple calculations showing that if, for instance, the column load is raised at temperature 250◦ C from 0.3Pt to 0.9Pt (where Pt = failure load = tangent modulus load), the critical time of creep buckling (Baˇzant and Cedolin 2003, chapters 8 and 9) gets shortened from 2400 hours to 1 hour (note that, in structural mechanics, the term ‘creep buckling’ or ‘viscoplastic buckling’ represents any time-dependent buckling; on the other hand, in materials science, the term ‘creep’ is reserved for the time-dependent deformation at stresses < 0.5σ0 , while the time-dependent deformation at stresses near σ0 is called the ‘flow’; Frost and Ashby 1982).
Therefore, to decide whether the gravity-driven progressive collapse is the correct explanation, the temperature level alone is irrelevant (Bazant and Le 2008). It is meaningless and a waste of time to argue about it without calculating the stresses in columns. For low stress, high temperature is necessary to cause collapse, but for high enough stress, even a modestly elevated temperature will cause it.

'What Did and Did not Cause Collapse
of WTC Twin Towers in New York
Zdenek P. Bazant, Jia-Liang Le, Frank R. Greening and David B. Benson'
Structural Engineering Report No. 07-05/C605c

Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE , Vol. 134 (2008)

As mentioned by Newtons Bit to have a meaningful discussion you need to consider the altered load paths caused by the plane impacts, as well as all the other things.

cheers

AE
 
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it is odd that when a debunker uses an approximation the 911 Conspiracy Speculators cry foul because the calculations do not account for many details, while on the other hand when more detail is added, as in the above post by alienentity, we can expect cries that the 911 Conspiracy Speculator's approximations (ie. Heiwa's) claim a different result.
 
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