"I know my country does bad things" Grammartron

Provides the bankroll and the thin veneer of legitimacy for that brave little tyranny that is called Israel.

edited to add: and you don`t give enough funding for NASA.
 
a_unique_person said:
OK, so what does the US do that is bad to other countries. Is there a list we can all agree on?

So far, I haven't seen anything from those such as Grammatron that says the US has ever done anything wrong.
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How very wrong of you. You're welcome to go prove yourself wrong by searching through the past posts made by me I just don't have time to engage in such pointless exercise.

I would be more impressed if you ever posted what good things my country does since I never saw you do such. Is there a list we can all agree on?
 
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Grammatron said:


How very wrong of you. You're welcome to go prove yourself wrong by searching through the past posts made by me I just don't have time to engage in such pointless exercise.

I would be more impressed if you ever posted what good things my country does since I never saw you do such. Is there a list we can all agree on?
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I have. But, can you give me some idea of what you think your country has done that is bad. I am not trying to pin you down as being personally responsible for these things.
 
demon said:
Provides the bankroll and the thin veneer of legitimacy for that brave little tyranny that is called Israel.

edited to add: and you don`t give enough funding for NASA.
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Compared to, say, the EU's subsidizing of Yasser Arafat's murder syndicate, bankrolling Israel is actually among the good things the United States has done.

And how do insufficient NASA funding levels (which nonetheless far outstrip the amount of funding devoted to space exploration in the rest of the world combined) inflict harm on other countries?
 
a_unique_person said:
Is there a list we can all agree on?
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:dl:



Yeah. I'll have that list for you in just a second. I'm sure it's one that will meet unanimous approval. Hee hee hee!

And for my next trick, a simple solution to all Middle East conflicts!

Hee hee hee!
 
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a_unique_person said:


I have. But, can you give me some idea of what you think your country has done that is bad. I am not trying to pin you down as being personally responsible for these things.
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You seem to be of the opinion that a nation can be either good or bad, yet not both. Why don't you start by naming something good that the US has accomplished,...then perhaps Gramatron will give you a specific "bad" thing.

Your blatant anti-American bias, AUP, makes you look like nothing more than a cynical geologist.

-z
 
crackmonkey said:
We make you all buy our stuff and see our movies.
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what stuff? what movies? everything I buy has labels that say it was manufactued in China, Taiwan, India, Hong, Japan and Korea.:D
 
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a_unique_person said:


I have. But, can you give me some idea of what you think your country has done that is bad. I am not trying to pin you down as being personally responsible for these things.
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Fine, I'll give you one, War on Drugs.

I was also going to say "Star Wars: Episode I" but that was made in Australia so that's on your hands.
 
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rikzilla said:


You seem to be of the opinion that a nation can be either good or bad, yet not both. Why don't you start by naming something good that the US has accomplished,...then perhaps Gramatron will give you a specific "bad" thing.

Your blatant anti-American bias, AUP, makes you look like nothing more than a cynical geologist.

-z
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Grammatron offered the opinion. The implication was that it was something to do with foreign policy. Now, I asked first. If he is prepared to offer a bad thing that was to do with foreign policy, I will offer something good the US has done.
 
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a_unique_person said:


Grammatron offered the opinion. The implication was that it was something to do with foreign policy. Now, I asked first. If he is prepared to offer a bad thing that was to do with foreign policy, I will offer something good the US has done.
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Ok, I'm waiting for that example.
 
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rikzilla said:


You seem to be of the opinion that a nation can be either good or bad, yet not both. Why don't you start by naming something good that the US has accomplished,...then perhaps Gramatron will give you a specific "bad" thing.

Your blatant anti-American bias, AUP, makes you look like nothing more than a cynical geologist.

-z
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What's a cynical geologist?

"Our client's waiting on that survey! Haven't you completed it yet?"
"Oh, just tell 'em it's all mica and shale. It's not like they can tell the difference anyway."
 
How about 9/11?

No, not that 9/11!

I’m talking about the 9/11/73 overthrow of a democratically elected government in Chile.

How about the 1953 overthrow of a democratically elected government in Iran that led to rise of the Shah of Iran and his jack-booted thugs.

How about the assassination of the South Vietnamese President in the 60’s.

How about supporting a brutal right-wing faction in Nicaragua and blocking the Democratic process for fear that the population might have the audacity to decide for themselves who should govern them and elect an evil left-wing faction (Which they finally did and when voted out peacefully handed over power.)

How about the illegal surveillance and wire-tapping of American citizens during the Vietnam war era who were suspected of no crime other than opposing the current policy.

How about threatening the Soviet Union by moving nuclear missiles right up to their border in Turkey and then screaming bloody murder when they do the same thing, sparking the Cuban Missile Crisis.

There are certainly any number of American Indian related issues that are far to numerous to list here.

A partial list to be sure and I doubt very seriously that there will ever be one that everybody agrees on.

I wonder if we should make a list of things that our government has done right. That list often gets overlooked.
 
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Mr Manifesto said:


What's a cynical geologist?
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Hmm, I smell a Horizon wireless commercial.

”No, no, I said a ‘clinical gynecologist’.”
 
I think this is an interesting topic.

First, it is interesting that AUP seems to think he has made a pro-US post. I didn't realize that, but I would be interested in seeing it.

On the issue of good that America has done for other countries, I would suggest five classes of actions.

1. Actions taken without any significant self interest goals that are done solely for the benefit of the recipients in the other country.

2. Actions taken for allegedly altruistic purposes which actually have self interest as a significant driving factor.

3. Things which just occur as the result of the US setting a successful example of democracy and capitalism.

4. Actions taken for mutual benefit that help the target country.

5. Actions taken by private Americans for purely altruistic reasons.

Of course the flip side of each of the above is that despite good intentions many of the above types of actions will in fact turn out bad.

Examples for each of the above classes.

1. Anti-AIDS programs for Africa

2. Reconstruction efforts after world war II in Europe and Japan.

3. This is far and away the way that the US benefits the world the most. Communist oriented systems are the source of more human misery than all other causes put together. The US, by setting an example of the positive benefits that acrue from democracy and capitalism has had the effect of encouraging the rise of this kind of system elsewhere.

4. Free trade pacts. Although there is a current trend to bad mouth these kinds of pacts I believe they produce great benefit for both the US and its trading partners.

5. Bill Gate's donation of 100 million dollars to fight AIDS in India.
 
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