I hate MS like pure poison, but....

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I realize there are many ways to be a good teacher, so I'm not trying to ding you, just curious.

It's not just in teaching - no one in business seems able to give a presentation about anything without copious slides (often animated!!) repeating what they are saying. I've often interrupted such presentations by asking will they be covering anything not on their slides and if not just email me the file and stop wasting their and mine time as I can read. A slide presentation should add something to a presentation that talking can't it should not be the presentation!
 
I prefer to lecture with just a piece of chalk. Got it to where no lecture notes are needed. It's cool to walk in a classroom empty handed and just go at it.

With all you are doing, what incentive do students have to come to class?

I wondered about the whole power point lecture thing (do many students accuse you of just reading from the slides?) So, I wonder what advantage slides bring to teaching?

I realize there are many ways to be a good teacher, so I'm not trying to ding you, just curious.


I used to do it like that - the chalk and the blackboard, I mean. I had some notes in my hand. But I remember how it was to be a student, and writing like a blue streak for an hour just to get it all down. So I wrote the notes for them, and got them duplicated, so that I could talk about the subject and they could listen to me instead of going for the speed-writing record.

One day I sent the collected notes to a publisher, asking if they were interested, and a couple of days later one of their minions arrived salivating at my office, and this was the result.

Now, though, I'm teaching agricultural students. I inherited the PowerPoints from the girl who taught the class before me, although I have revised and improved them. I like the format. It gives structure to the lecture, and it's such an easy way to show pictures of stuff, and diagrams and graphs, which I do a lot. I see a sequence of text-only slides as a failure.

I try to ensure that the essential take-home facts are all on the slides. That way the lazy little buggers who were down the union bar the night before have at least some hope of passing the course if they at least get the PowerPoints off the teaching module and read them. But in the actual lecture, I talk about the subject. I elaborate, I give them my opinion, I ask for their opinion, I ask for their experiences, and I tell relevant personal anecdotes that help make the material memorable.

I don't really intend to make an audio recording of the lectures. They're different every time, anyway. I was only musing about it because of the private project that caused me to start this thread.

There was some discussion about a possible public meeting and debate later this year, sponsored by JFM. One suggested format was that I should give a PowerPoint talk, presenting and explaining the basic facts and contentious issues about the Lockerbie affair, pitched to interested people who weren't intimately familiar with the details. It's unlikely this will go ahead, I think, but I decided to put a presentation together anyway.

The presentation came out rather long for its original intended purpose, at about 90 minutes. But I think it's a useful, and fairly novel, way of tackling the problem of explaining something like that. So now I've got the damn presentation, what do I do with it?

I have a pdf version, with the intended narration (much more structured than my usual free-associating lectures) printed below the slides, which of course aren't animated. It's OK, but ideally I'd like to make the presentation available online as a slide-show, with the audio narration and full-screen slides with (a few) animations. I don't know how to do this though, for people who don't have PowerPoint to view it, and especially not allowing anyone else to edit it. Ideally, once the narration was recorded with the timings, you'd just press a button that says "publish to YouTube" or something like that, but it ain't that simple I can see.

Rolfe.

ETA: I just counted. In that long presentation of 64 slides, just over half of them are text only. Would anyone like to look at the first half-dozen or dozen slides and critique the presentation?
 
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It's not just in teaching - no one in business seems able to give a presentation about anything without copious slides (often animated!!) repeating what they are saying. I've often interrupted such presentations by asking will they be covering anything not on their slides and if not just email me the file and stop wasting their and mine time as I can read.

Harsh! You actually say this. I admire that.
 
I used to do it like that - the chalk and the blackboard, I mean. I had some notes in my hand. But I remember how it was to be a student, and writing like a blue streak for an hour just to get it all down. So I wrote the notes for them, and got them duplicated, so that I could talk about the subject and they could listen to me instead of going for the speed-writing record.

One day I sent the collected notes to a publisher, asking if they were interested, and a couple of days later one of their minions arrived salivating at my office, and this was the result.

Now, though, I'm teaching agricultural students. I inherited the PowerPoints from the girl who taught the class before me, although I have revised and improved them. I like the format. It gives structure to the lecture, and it's such an easy way to show pictures of stuff, and diagrams and graphs, which I do a lot. I see a sequence of text-only slides as a failure.

I try to ensure that the essential take-home facts are all on the slides. That way the lazy little buggers who were down the union bar the night before have at least some hope of passing the course if they at least get the PowerPoints off the teaching module and read them. But in the actual lecture, I talk about the subject. I elaborate, I give them my opinion, I ask for their opinion, I ask for their experiences, and I tell relevant personal anecdotes that help make the material memorable.

I don't really intend to make an audio recording of the lectures. They're different every time, anyway. I was only musing about it because of the private project that caused me to start this thread.

There was some discussion about a possible public meeting and debate later this year, sponsored by JFM. One suggested format was that I should give a PowerPoint talk, presenting and explaining the basic facts and contentious issues about the Lockerbie affair, pitched to interested people who weren't intimately familiar with the details. It's unlikely this will go ahead, I think, but I decided to put a presentation together anyway.

The presentation came out rather long for its original intended purpose, at about 90 minutes. But I think it's a useful, and fairly novel, way of tackling the problem of explaining something like that. So now I've got the damn presentation, what do I do with it?

I have a pdf version, with the intended narration (much more structured than my usual free-associating lectures) printed below the slides, which of course aren't animated. It's OK, but ideally I'd like to make the presentation available online as a slide-show, with the audio narration and full-screen slides with (a few) animations. I don't know how to do this though, for people who don't have PowerPoint to view it, and especially not allowing anyone else to edit it. Ideally, once the narration was recorded with the timings, you'd just press a button that says "publish to YouTube" or something like that, but it ain't that simple I can see.

Rolfe.

ETA: I just counted. In that long presentation of 64 slides, just over half of them are text only. Would anyone like to look at the first half-dozen or dozen slides and critique the presentation?


Congrats on your book!

I didn't consider the graph / table angle (as an advantage to ppt), I guess because I don't teach anything all that difficult. I usually ask at the end of the semester whether I should switch to slides, and I overwhelmingly get no as an answer (they could be afraid to say yes). At my school most instructors just seem to read off the slides presented by the textbook publishers. Seems like you do much more...!
 
I can't imagine just reading off the slides! What would be the point? Also, you can't get that much text on a slide, not if you're being sensible, so what are they doing? Flipping through slides one every 15 seconds? I usually reckon to spending on average 90 seconds to 2 minutes per slide, actually explaining the material on the slide.

When I first took over Becky's slides, I found myself going off-piste sometimes, as my thought processes differed from hers. I introduced concepts that weren't on the slides. I'd say something like "Infectious Bovine Rhinotracheitis" or "eukaryotic", and I'd get immediate cries of "how do you spell that?" So I'd have to hunt for a piece of chalk, not always present in modern lecture theatres, and write it on the board. Much easier to have words like that on the slides, and then it's easier to explain what they mean. (Rhino - nose, trachea - windpipe, itis - inflammation; eu - ideal, kary - nucleus; that kind of thing.) When you're telling kids straight out of school about basic pathology and medicine and diseases and disease-causing organisms with funny names, you need to have the words visible for them to read.

You also need pictures of the organisms, and of animals suffering from these diseases, both live and post mortem. Nowadays it's a piece of cake to find pictures you want on the internet, even if you don't have one to hand yourself. It's absolutely fantastic. And just click and paste, and there it is in your slide, just like that!

I'm a fan.

I didn't even know text-book publishers supplied slides. I don't like using other people's slides at all, although I steal elements all the time.

Rolfe.
 
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I didn't consider the graph / table angle (as an advantage to ppt), I guess because I don't teach anything all that difficult. I usually ask at the end of the semester whether I should switch to slides, and I overwhelmingly get no as an answer (they could be afraid to say yes). At my school most instructors just seem to read off the slides presented by the textbook publishers. Seems like you do much more...!


I tend to think, what do I want to tell them. Then, what do I want them to be looking at while I tell them. It might be words, to help them structure in their minds the points I'm making. It especially needs to be words if I'm introducing them to new words they haven't either heard or read before. Or it might be a picture, of a sick animal or a pathological specimen or a disease-causing organism. Or it might be a graph or table that I'll explain.

I take the view that students have eyes as well as ears, and if I don't give them something to look at, they'll be looking at the curtains, or the girl in the row in front, or even their bloody mobile phone. So I try to use eyes and ears to complement each other to get the material across.

I used to use overhead acetates for the purpose. PowerPoint just does the same thing but better.

Rolfe.
 
I haven't found a way to do that, does it depend on the version?

Someone else suggested this. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=12033
I've emailed our IT people to ask about it, as it doesn't seem to be available on our system. I'm hoping either they'll let me download it, or tell me some existing way to do the same thing. As I don't actually have PowerPoint on my home computer I suspect it would be futile to download it for myself.

ETA: As I suspected, if you download it on to a computer without PowerPoint installed, it won't run. I did discover that I had a good PowerPoint viewer installed though, so I've set that to default for PowerPoint files, and with luck I'll never see that crappy WordPerfect presentations package again.

Rolfe.
 
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Don't think you can pin so much success on the one man, remember his track record prior to the last decade was pretty poor. (Please note I am not saying he had no input or wasn't a great influence on Apple's recent success.)

Certainly he had very talented people working fof him but he was the one who unilateraly determined which products Apple would developed and which way they were to be marketed. And even though there was some bad decisions along the way he was dead on with the really big products.

Jobs felt that Apple should only develop a few products rather than shotgunning a multitude of products and see which one stuck to the wall. I was reading in a recent Fortune magazine article that Cook was changing a few aspects of how Apple operated. Some seem good, (those things that were related to his obstinate personality) others might not bode well (those things that related to Jobs philosophy on business).

Time will tell.
 
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Certainly he had very talented people working fof him but he was the one who unilateraly determined which products Apple would developed and which way they were to be marketed. And even though there was some bad decisions along the way he was dead on with the really big products.
To your latter sentence, I feel there's some circularity going on there. Of course he was dead on with the really big products; had he not been, they wouldn't have been really big products.
 
I haven't found a way to do that, does it depend on the version?
Not sure, but on my version of PPT in windows, you just do File - Save As, and then choose Windows Media File (wmv). That will play on any windows computer, but if you don't like that file type, you could then use one of the many free tools available online to convert to something like mov or avi.
 
OK, will try that. If I can get a workable result with my 5-slide disposable presentation, I'll know I'm in business.

Rolfe.
 
To your latter sentence, I feel there's some circularity going on there. Of course he was dead on with the really big products; had he not been, they wouldn't have been really big products.

Perhaps it was the way i worded my sentance. The popular products became popular partly due to the features and designed. According to the Jobs biography, Jobs had alot of input and final say on what went into the devices and the user experiance. The marketing was the rest of the fourmula which Jobs had a lot to do with of course.

In the business philosophy side, Jobs was not afraid to cannibalize Apple's product line.

For instance, Apple's board was very vocally opposed to Jobs releasing the iPhone with the same capabilities as the wildly successfull iPod. They were concerned that the iPhone would hurt or kill the iPod sales. Jobs scoffed and said the iPhone would a bigger success ("be a cooler product") if it had the music player capabilitiy (and he was right for the most part).

Jobs' philosophy was the quality of the product was more important than bottom line. If the product was designed and built "right" the money would come as an indication that you "got it right". Product first, money latter.

A bit in the Fortune magazine article (about how Cook was running Apple) that got my attention was a comment from an engineer at Apple saying that atmosphere around Apple was "becoming more corporate".

Wether that is a good or bad thing for Apple, time will tell.
 
Hmmm ...
Jobs' products have a certain style. It's apparently impossible for a committee to have style. It's seems unlikely that style can be incorporated in a corporate culture. I think this is quite different from quality or reliability where we have examples of unstylish but reliable and good quality products.

I personally don't care for the Apple style, and feature vs price decisions, but I can understand the appeal in the abstract.

So it's completely possible that Apples CEOs will somehow express that style well enough to maintain or grow the following (Porsche might be an example) , but it seems more likely they will fail to do so (pure speculation based on seeing many examples of corporate change).
 
I haven't found a way to do that, does it depend on the version?

Someone else suggested this. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=12033
I've emailed our IT people to ask about it, as it doesn't seem to be available on our system. I'm hoping either they'll let me download it, or tell me some existing way to do the same thing. As I don't actually have PowerPoint on my home computer I suspect it would be futile to download it for myself.

ETA: As I suspected, if you download it on to a computer without PowerPoint installed, it won't run. I did discover that I had a good PowerPoint viewer installed though, so I've set that to default for PowerPoint files, and with luck I'll never see that crappy WordPerfect presentations package again.

Rolfe.

I think it's only in Office 2010 version and I assume later versions if any exist - although this is common enough that you probably know people who would be willing to convert for you if that's easier than using a 3rd party tool

Here's a link with some info, but essentially carlitos has explained it enough to give it a try:

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/p...ur-presentation-into-a-video-HA010336763.aspx
 
Back in the eighties, I bought an AST 386SX laptop and started doing end-of-job reports on it at work, using Lotus 123 for DOS. I printed on a little Canon Bubble jet. Customers were highly impressed that I could do this on a remote drilling rig. In some cases, mine was the sole computer on the rig.

What I soon realised though, was that they were impressed by the appearance of the document. Nobody actually read the content which in any case was the same as the earlier, hand written or typed versions I had been doing.

Since then, I have reverted to using Notepad as the only "word processor" worthy of the name. Everything else is image pimping. Text is about words.
Presentations are another story of course. Nothing worse than looking at a series of Powerpoint slides that are all text and could indeed have been written in Notepad.
 
Since then, I have reverted to using Notepad as the only "word processor" worthy of the name. Everything else is image pimping. Text is about words.


:popcorn1

Presentations are another story of course. Nothing worse than looking at a series of Powerpoint slides that are all text and could indeed have been written in Notepad.


Amen to that!

Rolfe.
 
Just to taunt him? That sounds mean.

Assuming that you're not actually joking...blind people who can't see well enough to easily use a mouse (my friend can to some extent, if he's got a screen magnifier) can use a screen reader, like JAWS, to read the screen to them.
http://www.freedomscientific.com/products/fs/jaws-product-page.asp

Many pieces of software, and many webpages don't work well with it, though. Straight text works perfectly, and MS Office does work fairly well, excepting the few bits that require a mouse to access. He requires Word and Excel for his business (vending), so that list of keyboard shortcuts was vital.

The little projects I do for him also generally get passed along to other blind computer users, so I have the satisfaction of knowing that I'm not helping just him. He also has my son involved with sorting out some of these problems.
 

Doesn't look like anyone is going to take the bait. :( What really turned me off both Wordperfect and Word was that they are essentially about formatting rather than about writing. I think of them as graphics programs for the blind.

I don't do "presentations" and I wholly accept that such ought to use graphics far more than text. (Sitting through a "safety" presentation consisting of textual slides in English and Russian is psychological torture of a very nasty kind).

My employers use M$Office . Head office of course, use up-to-date versions and are then surprised that the red-headed stepchildren on the ground haven't read their pearls of wisdom, because they can't open the latest file formats on their ten year old PC.

For me, if a communication is wholly textual, it simply makes sense to write it using a text editor. It also stops people wasting an hour on a thirty second message because they want it to look good.
 

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