I found the homeopathic "cure"...

[LostAngeles]

I treated a child of 4 years old recently who had been having recurrent croupy coughs since the age of 5 months old. She is now cured, having been given the correct remedies.

Homeopaths do not feel threatened at all by the likes of Quackwatch and Healthwatch. I have enough patients and am getting new patients to keep me going and in work for a long time to come. You lot will probably have retired whilst I am still working away and curing people.

Of course you don't feel threatened. You know that there's still a massive market of gullibility out there to keep you in money.

Tell me, do any of these treatments have FDA approval or evalutation?

 

[Lisa Simpson]

Tell me, do any of these treatments have FDA approval or evalutation?

Magic water don't need no stinkin' FDA approval.

 

[Rolfe]

Tell me, do any of these treatments have FDA approval or evalutation?

Naturalhealth is British, so FDA approval isn't very relevant. However, no homoeopathic remedy has a product licence or a marketing authorisation in the UK - and this is not because nobody has ever tried to obtain these, but because they can't fulfil the testing criteria - especially the demonstration of efficacy.

Homoeopathic remedies are allowed to be sold over the counter so long as they bear the legend "a homoeopathic preparation wihout specific therapeutic indication". Homoeopathic practitioners prescribe entirely on their own responsibility, as there is no authorisation and no evidence to support what they are doing.

Rolfe.

 

[LostAngeles]

Ah I see, Rolfe.

Just because my mind is on it, I'm a jerk, and since this thread is asking for homeopathic cures...

If like cures like, then what does a homeopath take for having been on fire or just burned in general?

 

[geni]

If like cures like, then what does a homeopath take for having been on fire or just burned in general?

Well there is the good old standby Arnica (basicly covers anthing where there is tissue damage).

Other that:

Cantharis
Causticum
Hepar sulphuris calcareum
Hypericum
Phosphorus
Urtica urens
Calendula and Hypericum tinctures


Or seehere

 

[Lisa Simpson]

I went to that site, and after reading through it and answering endless questions (I have suffered from migraines for 20+ years) I noticed two things:

1. The site says about homeopathy "The Single Remedy
No matter how many symptoms are experienced, only one remedy is taken, and that remedy will be aimed at all those symptoms.

However--

2. The remedy for my symptoms--belladonna--only has a 57% rate of matching my symptoms. So there's a 43% chance that it is the wrong remedy. And it doesn't match at all to what I would consider the most apt description: head; pain, headache; recurring headache; every fourteen days; lasting two or three days

So it can't really be aimed at all my symptoms.

 

[geni]

2. The remedy for my symptoms--belladonna--only has a 57% rate of matching my symptoms. So there's a 43% chance that it is the wrong remedy. And it doesn't match at all to what I would consider the most apt description: head; pain, headache; recurring headache; every fourteen days; lasting two or three days

So it can't really be aimed at all my symptoms.

To be fair most homeopaths don't think much of computer generated results.

 

[Lisa Simpson]

I can see that. I don't think most MDs would want prescriptions decided upon by computer questionaire.

But still, if there is only one remedy for all my symptoms, what does one do if there isn't a remedy to match all the symptoms?

 

[geni]

But still, if there is only one remedy for all my symptoms, what does one do if there isn't a remedy to match all the symptoms?

There are thousands of remedies and many of them have hugle lists of symptoms so It's unlikly. If it does happen then I think they take the best match and hope for the best.

Eddited to add they could also try Isopathy.

 

[Rolfe]

But still, if there is only one remedy for all my symptoms, what does one do if there isn't a remedy to match all the symptoms?

Wait until they've proved even more wacky things, and hope that in one of these provings the master prover was inspired to select out tales of similar woes to those you're currently experiencing?

Rolfe.

 

[LostAngeles]

Well there is the good old standby Arnica (basicly covers anthing where there is tissue damage).

Other that:

Cantharis
Causticum
Hepar sulphuris calcareum
Hypericum
Phosphorus
Urtica urens
Calendula and Hypericum tinctures


Or seehere

I was really hoping for fire but...

mouth; burns of tongue and lips; ham.

I'm sure it's an abbreviation, but that's still funny.

 

[Corallinus]

Lisa,

The whole point is that a remedy does not have to fit every single symptom that you have. This is not the idea. The idea is that you get the 'similimum', which actually means the best matching remedy, but it does NOT have to match everything. If it does, then this is Isopathy and not homeopathy.

Sometimes a homeopath will get a partial similar, which is similar but not the similimum. This will still do something until and similimum can be found.

This is why it is very important to take a very good and full case from a patient and is why we spend a lot of time doing this. This is also why you must analyse a case too and by doing all this, you can then come up with the best remedy.

This is exactly why homeopathy is a lot more involved than people think and why homeopaths have to train for at least 3 years and possibly 4 years part time to be able to do this properly.

Also, although I live in England now, I was originally born and brought up in South Africa and trained in homeopathy there. Homeopathic training in South Africa is a 5 year full time course that leads to the award of a Masters in homeopathy. These courses are undertaken at the Technical Colleges out there and they award the qualification of MTech (Hom).

The child with croup was treated with Carcinosin first of all. Did very well on this in various potencies. The 'constitutional' remedy was Phosphorus and the child is now better having been given this remedy. The croup was treated constitutionally and at times during constitutional treatment, an acute remedy is given to hold in a lower potency to treat any attack that may occur. This acute remedy may be different from the constituional remedy, but will fit the acute picture.

The snake and the spider remedies have a lot of heart pathologies and when a person has quite severe pathology it is perfectly acceptable to treat at a pathological level rather than a constitutional level. What you can do is just prescribe on the physical symptoms only and give that remedy in a lower potency specifically to treat the pathological layer. All remedies have physical symptoms as well as the general and mental/emotional symptoms.

 

[Prester John]

How long were you treating the child for Croup and how do you rule out spontaneous coincidental recovery from croup? There is considerable evidence on this thread that you would expect spontaneous recovery in a child of that age.

Anecdotal evidence not getting us very far is it. Or is it case that all anecdotal evidence is equal but some more equal than others?

 

[Zep]

Corallinus,

1. What is the difference between a "constitutional" remedy and an "acute" remedy?

2. Please describe exactly what you mean by "high" potency and "low" potency remedy.

 

[Corallinus]

An acute remedy is a remedy that is used to treat an acute disease such as the flu. You match the patient's symptoms to the remedy. Flu remedies are ones such as Gelsemium, Eup-per, Bell, Rhus-tox and others.

A constitutional remedy is really a chronic remedy that is mostly prescribed on the totality of symptoms. A patient may have occurences of acute disease in between chronic treatment. If the acute needs to be treated this may respond to the same chronic remedy in a lower potency or may turn out to be a different remedy altogether, in which case this remedy would then need to be given and once the acute is over, chronic treatment can then resume.

Massimo the Italian homeopathic doctor treats in this way, where he will prescribe a chronic remedy in whatever potency he decides and he will then repeat the same remedy for all the acutes in between. This works extremely well for him and he has a great database of cured cases.

A low potency will anything from an X scale potency up to about a 12c. An X potency would mostly be used as an organ support remedy and then a 6c may be used if you want to direct the remedy more to physical problems without causing further problems for the patient. Basically, it avoids aggravations. A 30c is considered to be a medium potency and then 200c and above is considered to be high potency.

There is also the LM potency scale and this remedy is given in a liquid form. It is good for very sensitive patients and can be given once or twice daily or however it is needed.

 

[steenkh]

It is clear that "potency" to h-paths is a measure of how much work there is employed in diluting the remedy. Or, the fewer molecules of the remedy, the higher potency!

This would be stuff for a farce if it wasn't employed by h-paths all over the world.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Massimo the Italian homeopathic doctor treats in this way, where he will prescribe a chronic remedy in whatever potency he decides and he will then repeat the same remedy for all the acutes in between. This works extremely well for him and he has a great database of cured cases.

Hmmm...where did I hear that name before?

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870400998&highlight=massimo#post1870400998

Spooky.

But, how's this for synchronicity?


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But the weird thing is....



"Although I have looked at the Hpathy forum, I have never posted there myself, but am now thinking about registering. " (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870508197&highlight=hpathy#post1870508197)

NH/HS/Corallinus The Perpetual Student...


"Ok. Just one thing though. I have no scientific training whatsoever and do not claim to be a scientist. My degree was in languages that included Italian.

On one of my trips to Italy a few years ago now, I was looking around a bookshop and found this beautiful Italian anatomy book. I purchased it, more at the time for the artwork rather than the anatomy, however, I was looking at this recently and it seems to suggest that the sutures of the skull do not totally fuse during life and there is in fact still some room for manoevre.

It says that this is the difference between living anatomy and cadaveric anatomy." (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870383498&highlight=italian#post1870383498)


"Also, although I live in England now, I was originally born and brought up in South Africa and trained in homeopathy there. Homeopathic training in South Africa is a 5 year full time course that leads to the award of a Masters in homeopathy. These courses are undertaken at the Technical Colleges out there and they award the qualification of MTech (Hom)." (This thread)



" I gained my medical qualification from King's in London and have an MBBS. I also trained in homeopathy in India (BHMS) and the UK (LCCH)." (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/show...04010&highlight=london+medical#post1870404010)


So, NH, how's that whole Pinocchio nose thing going? Does it get in the way of using a keyboard?

 

[Tom Morris]

Damnit! No toothache on there! I'll just have to take my aspirin and go to the dentist when he's got an appointment.

...wait...

Ah, here's a nice homeopathic treatment. A glass of water. How refreshing. Perhaps if I wash it around my mouth it'll pick up a 'memory' of my tooth, then I can dilute it a few times until I'm cured. Hoorah!