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I found the homeopathic "cure"...

Chris Haynes

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Okay, I really did not know much about homeopathy until I started hanging around here. I remember back a while ago when I heard what it actually was, and thought that since there was nothing IN the stuff... that it was not actually anything to think about.

Then I look about... and looked here and realized some folks took it quite serious.

Since I have a kid with multiple medical problems (and why is usually just ONE in the family that gets all the nasty unrelated ailments?)... I realized that had I been less cognizant of science and reasoning, that I could at several points put this child in danger. I can't imagine what could have happened if I tried homeopathic "cures" for his seizures, his croup (on one of the trips to the emergency dept. his blood satuation was less than 80%), his lack of speech and lately the hypertrophic cardiomyopathy!

Anyway I poked around today... and did a Google search on "homeopathy hypertrophic cardiomyopathy". I found one bright note:
http://www.holistic-online.com/Remedies/Heart/cm_hypertrophic.htm which has written on the last line "Caution: Cardiomyopathy is a life-threatening condition. If you suspect you or someone you know is suffering from cardiomyopathy, seek medical assistance immediately"

So at least THOSE folks know their limitations.

BUT wait... guess what I found (and I am sure these guys have been discussed here before)... an online program to find the homeopathic remedy for your ills:
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/c.php/29

Of course, my son only had the last symptom, so they recommended Gelsemium Sempervirens.

Though to be fair, they did have this disclaimer on the first page:
"Remember!
Nothing on this site is a recomendation as to how to treat any particular disease or health-related condition. You should not use this site as a substitute for professional medical advice. For serious ailments, or if symptoms persist, you must see a medical professional. You should not stop taking prescribed medication without consulting your doctor."

Personally, I would like to see homeopathy to be shown to the general public as essentially useless. But I don't think that is going to happen... just as long as there are actual homeopathic journals (that are actually listed in http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/ ), with papers like this:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=12725248
 
Warning: Homeopaths might want to set themselves on fire so as to be cured of this post.

Homeopathy, for all intents and purposes, has been shown to be a load of rubbish. I believe there's a thread of late on having the homeopath twits take the JREF challenge. They've even come up with several ideas on the protocol for the jacka$$es.

Unfortunately, as they've pointed out, the homeopaths are too goddamned stupid and their heads are so far up their butts they can lick the duodendum that they can not and never will agree on any sort of universal protocol for their voodoo spring water. (Because my local tap water might actually contain an unknown antibiotic) They like to sit about and wave their "It works because it works" %@^#& and a good number don't seem to care who they hurt or blind in the process. They hide behind their little disclaimers knowing full well that there's enough gullible folk out there with money who will buy into this bull$@%&!

All because they want to play doctor and aren't smart, skilled, and/or dedicated enough for medical school.

I'm so glad for you and your son that you had enough common sense to never go near these %^@*$#. Modern medicine may not be able to cure or alleviate everything, there are some nasty side effects, and poor doctors but it's a whole billion hells better than giving a sick person some Evian to drink by someone who's either delusional or just outright greedy.
 
I have a son with multiple medical problems as well, although none are life threatening.

I googled his ills, along with the word 'homeopathy'. I wasn't surprised to find homeopathic "cures" for his rheumatoid arthritis, especially since an MD once recommended trying it (we didn't, BTW). But I didn't really find anything for his major problem, a hereditary connective tissue disorder called Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome. I did find things that might treat some of the symptoms, such as easy bruising, but nothing that claimed to treat the underlying problem with his connective tissue.

That's too bad, since I was really curious as to what the treatment would be...not that I would give it to him anyway.
 
LostAngeles said:
..... They like to sit about and wave their "It works because it works" %@^#& and a good number don't seem to care who they hurt or blind in the process. They hide behind their little disclaimers knowing full well that there's enough gullible folk out there with money who will buy into this bull$@%&!

All because they want to play doctor and aren't smart, skilled, and/or dedicated enough for medical school.....
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During all the bleating and braying by the true believers with their mantras of "Yes it works", "It always works", "It works on the whole person" and so on... I kept thinking of this Monty Python sketch where the "Flats are built by hypnosis":
http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode35.htm#6
 
Hydrogen Cyanide said:


During all the bleating and braying by the true believers with their mantras of "Yes it works", "It always works", "It works on the whole person" and so on... I kept thinking of this Monty Python sketch where the "Flats are built by hypnosis":
http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode35.htm#6
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I think all I can say to that is :D

I think some of the believers fear and/or distrust hospitals and doctors which I can understand. I highly distrust a particular hospital back east as does the majority of my family. A lot of people on this forum probably have had bad medical experiences. We understand that quackery is not the answer to a, say, neglectful doctor though.

What happens with the CF child who's parents try homeopathy? Or children with illnesses like your's and Lisa's? The thought of what the homeopaths would do just... it feels like a fundamental wrong.

Still, heh, flats by hypnosis. Ha!
 
LostAngeles said:


I think some of the believers fear and/or distrust hospitals and doctors which I can understand. I highly distrust a particular hospital back east as does the majority of my family. A lot of people on this forum probably have had bad medical experiences. We understand that quackery is not the answer to a, say, neglectful doctor though.
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I have had so many bad experiences with doctors in the ten years of my son's life. The MD who recommended homeopathy for my son's JRA was a bit of a quack (in my opinion, of course) and that was part of the reason why I didn't try the homeopathic treatment she thought would help. We went to a pediatric rheumatologist instead, and had the usual treatment of nsaids, cortisone shots and physical therapy.

Surfing around, I found a proving of some giganamous English rock. I didn't know that one's sun sign is important when doing a proving, but apparently it is.

http://uk.geocities.com/veryscarymary/stanton-drew1.html
 
Lisa Simpson said:


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http://uk.geocities.com/veryscarymary/stanton-drew1.html
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Yikes... A rock prover (image of Rocks in Head is coming to mind)...Then she has a link to the evidence of "Indigo Children" and that she will do star charts for... she is a "VERY Scary Mary"!. This is just too much woo woo... these are folks who feel that very intelligent children are the spawn of aliens. Plus just add astrology for a very nutty touch (how to confuse a believer of astrology: just tell them you were born either too close or south of the Equator where the pertinent constellations are difficult to see, and therefore your are NOT born under any "sign").
 
LostAngeles said:
All because they want to play doctor and aren't smart, skilled, and/or dedicated enough for medical school.
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The bit that really has me chewing the crockery is that there are qualified medical doctors who study and prescribe homoeopathy. See the Faculty of Homoeopathy. And our Blessed Royal Family would like to see even more of this.

If you want to see even more daft provings, look at this site (warning - extreme woo territory).

And for the worst example of the suggested treatment of a life-threatening illness by homoeopathy, try this one. Just in case you didn't know, dogs with this condition are guaranteed to die in agony within a few hours unless emergency surgery is carried out. This page doesn't even suggest calling the vet....

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
...And our Blessed Royal Family would like to see even more of this....
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I never understood the attraction folks have towards your Royal Family, especially here where we revolted against one your King George's. But then again... while staying with dear hubby's grandparents about a half hour outside Amsterdam I did not understand their fascination with the appearence of the Dutch Prince at a function on TV (and I think the Dutch Royal family is fairly low key).

Those "provings" were truly loony (and in the case of the AIDS patient, scary).

I went to www.amazon.com and put in "homeopathy" in the search box. It brought up a disgusting number of over 3000 books!

Then there is this note on ASCH's Health Fact and Fears:
http://www.acsh.org/factsfears/newsID.269/news_detail.asp
There is a dissenting visitor response by a "Dana Ullman". A further look into Mr. Ullman finds that he makes money selling some of those books listed on Amazon, AND he has been known to spam the Usenet. I think Mr. Ullman biggest objection to anyone speaking out about homeopathy is that it hits him in wallet.

Perhaps the biggest fear for the UK homoepaths is if folks like http://www.healthwatch-uk.org/ actually succeed in making people realize what homeopathy REALLY is... and reduce the homeopathic trade.
 
Hydrogen Cyanide said:
I never understood the attraction folks have towards your Royal Family, ....
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If I gave anyone the impression that I have any respect for the House of Battenberg, or whatever they were before they thought it politic to adopt a less "foreign" name, I erred mightily. And the word "our" was purely nominal. In fact my usual line is "Queen of England and they're welcome to her."

Hint. I'm voting for Roseanna. (And a virtual Mars Bar to the first person who figures out the implications of that one!)

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:

Hint. I'm voting for Roseanna. (And a virtual Mars Bar to the first person who figures out the implications of that one!)

Rolfe.
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Hmm. Given what I know about the situation (admittedly very little) Roseanna Cunningham is more on the Scottish Independence side...yes?
 
Hydrogen Cyanide said:
A further look into Mr. Ullman finds that he makes money selling some of those books listed on Amazon, AND he has been known to spam the Usenet. I think Mr. Ullman biggest objection to anyone speaking out about homeopathy is that it hits him in wallet.

Perhaps the biggest fear for the UK homoepaths is if folks like http://www.healthwatch-uk.org/ actually succeed in making people realize what homeopathy REALLY is... and reduce the homeopathic trade.
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I do believe I noted this here more than once some time ago: Homeopathy (and similar scams) is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! It certainly has nothing to do with medicine, science, or even reality.
 
I treated a child of 4 years old recently who had been having recurrent croupy coughs since the age of 5 months old. She is now cured, having been given the correct remedies.

Homeopaths do not feel threatened at all by the likes of Quackwatch and Healthwatch. I have enough patients and am getting new patients to keep me going and in work for a long time to come. You lot will probably have retired whilst I am still working away and curing people.
 
Corallinus said:
I treated a child of 4 years old recently who had been having recurrent croupy coughs since the age of 5 months old. She is now cured, having been given the correct remedies.

Homeopaths do not feel threatened at all by the likes of Quackwatch and Healthwatch. I have enough patients and am getting new patients to keep me going and in work for a long time to come. You lot will probably have retired whilst I am still working away and curing people.
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And what, pray tell, were the 'correct' remedies?
 
Corallinus said:
I treated a child of 4 years old recently who had been having recurrent croupy coughs since the age of 5 months old. She is now cured, having been given the correct remedies...
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And what exactly were her blood satuation levels?

Explain to me exactly how and why homeopathy is better for bringing up blood satuation levels in croup. Expecially for something like croup which a child who is susceptible will grow out of naturally. My son's last bout of croup was when had just turned 3 years old. So it seems your story does not show that homeopathy quickened the 4 year old's "recovery".

Explain to me exactly how and why homeopathy is better for genetic heart conditions like hypertrophic cardiomyopathy.

And if it is NOT about money... how can you figure charging more than a couple of cents for a remedy with NO active ingredients?

(A Dire Straights song is going through my head, something about "money for nothing and your chicks for free")

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One thing I've noticed about the anecdotal evidence the homeopaths like to spew forth is that it tends to be diseases or problems that people will recover from anyway. Or in the case of children, just outgrow.

My youngest had croup--quite severe as a toddler. He outgrew it by the time he entered kindergarten.

I'm waiting to hear on the not-as-easily-cured problems.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
Hmm. Given what I know about the situation (admittedly very little) Roseanna Cunningham is more on the Scottish Independence side...yes?
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Mmmm, maybe a quarter of a Mars Bar.

Rolfe.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
Since I don't follow politics much, I'll take that. :)
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The rest of it, to put you out of your suspense :D , is that there is currently a leadership election going on in the SNP. Roseanna Cunningham is the front runner. As I am a member of the SNP, I have a vote. And Roseanna has been labelled "Republican Rose" in the past.

Rolfe.
 
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