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I Came, I Saw, I Heard, I Ran

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Today was the first time I've been to Ground Zero at a time when the "Truthers" are there. I was sort of curious to go and see them, after all this time. I was actually sort of hoping Gravy would be there, debating, but no such luck!

I didn't really see how many there were - maybe about 6-10. Mostly, there was one tall, skinny guy yelling at the passersby about WTC7's collapse. I went up to a woman and took a pamphlet, and talked to her for about 2 minutes. That's literally all I could stand! It was like talking to a Moonie or some other brainwashed person.

I said I agreed with them that Bush's response was wrong - going to bomb innocent Iraqis who had nothing to do with 9/11 - but that I had no doubt that 9/11 was carried out by 19 radical Muslims. She started in about some woo theory, oh yeah - about how "lots of engineers" (yeah, which ones? and why are they always in a different specialty than they're expounding on?) believe it was a controlled demolition, or something like that. I wasn't listening at that point, I just said, "99.9% of all scientists disagree with you" and began backing away, then walking swiftly across Church St. That was about all I could take. In the background, the tall guy was yelling about WTC7, "a 47-story building that fell for no reason" and I yelled back over my shoulder, "...except that it was built on the ConEd substation!" or something like that.

That was it! 3 minutes among the loonies was about all I could take!

Then, later, I happened past St. Paul's Church, and it helped alot to go in there and see all the displays about how they ministered to the 9/11 workers in the months following the disaster. There are some truly moving displays. The one that brought a tear to my eye was a letter from the community of Nagasaki, as well as sending origami. Talk about forgiveness! And a couple of women who were, I think, just tourists, gave an impromptu concert in the church, singing beautiful renditions of The Star-Spangled Banner and Silent Night. Those experiences helped wash the previous one at GZ out of my brain, thank God.

That was that! I did it, I saw, I heard, and I ran from the "Truthers"! As the old saying goes, "Never argue with a moron"! ;)
 
I do not like to get angry, and for that reason I think I would avoid them altogether if I went to GZ.

TAM:)
 
Today was the first time I've been to Ground Zero at a time when the "Truthers" are there. I was sort of curious to go and see them, after all this time. I was actually sort of hoping Gravy would be there, debating, but no such luck!

I didn't really see how many there were - maybe about 6-10. Mostly, there was one tall, skinny guy yelling at the passersby about WTC7's collapse. I went up to a woman and took a pamphlet, and talked to her for about 2 minutes. That's literally all I could stand! It was like talking to a Moonie or some other brainwashed person.

I said I agreed with them that Bush's response was wrong - going to bomb innocent Iraqis who had nothing to do with 9/11 - but that I had no doubt that 9/11 was carried out by 19 radical Muslims. She started in about some woo theory, oh yeah - about how "lots of engineers" (yeah, which ones? and why are they always in a different specialty than they're expounding on?) believe it was a controlled demolition, or something like that. I wasn't listening at that point, I just said, "99.9% of all scientists disagree with you" and began backing away, then walking swiftly across Church St. That was about all I could take. In the background, the tall guy was yelling about WTC7, "a 47-story building that fell for no reason" and I yelled back over my shoulder, "...except that it was built on the ConEd substation!" or something like that.

That was it! 3 minutes among the loonies was about all I could take!

Then, later, I happened past St. Paul's Church, and it helped alot to go in there and see all the displays about how they ministered to the 9/11 workers in the months following the disaster. There are some truly moving displays. The one that brought a tear to my eye was a letter from the community of Nagasaki, as well as sending origami. Talk about forgiveness! And a couple of women who were, I think, just tourists, gave an impromptu concert in the church, singing beautiful renditions of The Star-Spangled Banner and Silent Night. Those experiences helped wash the previous one at GZ out of my brain, thank God.

That was that! I did it, I saw, I heard, and I ran from the "Truthers"! As the old saying goes, "Never argue with a moron"! ;)

I hope that the whole experience made you feel much better about yourself.
 
I hope that when the USG finally decides that waterboarding is torture, they decide the same about listening to truthers.
 
Today was the first time I've been to Ground Zero at a time when the "Truthers" are there. I was sort of curious to go and see them, after all this time. I was actually sort of hoping Gravy would be there, debating, but no such luck!

I didn't really see how many there were - maybe about 6-10. Mostly, there was one tall, skinny guy yelling at the passersby about WTC7's collapse. I went up to a woman and took a pamphlet, and talked to her for about 2 minutes. That's literally all I could stand! It was like talking to a Moonie or some other brainwashed person.

I said I agreed with them that Bush's response was wrong - going to bomb innocent Iraqis who had nothing to do with 9/11 - but that I had no doubt that 9/11 was carried out by 19 radical Muslims. She started in about some woo theory, oh yeah - about how "lots of engineers" (yeah, which ones? and why are they always in a different specialty than they're expounding on?) believe it was a controlled demolition, or something like that. I wasn't listening at that point, I just said, "99.9% of all scientists disagree with you" and began backing away, then walking swiftly across Church St. That was about all I could take. In the background, the tall guy was yelling about WTC7, "a 47-story building that fell for no reason" and I yelled back over my shoulder, "...except that it was built on the ConEd substation!" or something like that.

That was it! 3 minutes among the loonies was about all I could take!

Then, later, I happened past St. Paul's Church, and it helped alot to go in there and see all the displays about how they ministered to the 9/11 workers in the months following the disaster. There are some truly moving displays. The one that brought a tear to my eye was a letter from the community of Nagasaki, as well as sending origami. Talk about forgiveness! And a couple of women who were, I think, just tourists, gave an impromptu concert in the church, singing beautiful renditions of The Star-Spangled Banner and Silent Night. Those experiences helped wash the previous one at GZ out of my brain, thank God.

That was that! I did it, I saw, I heard, and I ran from the "Truthers"! As the old saying goes, "Never argue with a moron"! ;)

I'm going tomorrow morning, and I'm going to take a black magic marker just in case they're there, and write stuff on their propaganda. Are they always there on the weekends, or do they just happen to show up when they please?
 
I'm going tomorrow morning, and I'm going to take a black magic marker just in case they're there, and write stuff on their propaganda. Are they always there on the weekends, or do they just happen to show up when they please?
I assume they'll be there tomorrow as well, but I'm not sure. I just knew that they would probably be there on Saturday afternoon, as I'd heard that was their regular "stomping time."

I didn't see many signs behind them but then, I was sort of in and out very quickly. I didn't stay long, so I didn't really notice.

Good luck when you go! Actually, I had to give 'em some credit for standing out there today, for ANY length of time -- it was damn cold!
 
I assume they'll be there tomorrow as well, but I'm not sure. I just knew that they would probably be there on Saturday afternoon, as I'd heard that was their regular "stomping time."

I didn't see many signs behind them but then, I was sort of in and out very quickly. I didn't stay long, so I didn't really notice.

Good luck when you go! Actually, I had to give 'em some credit for standing out there today, for ANY length of time -- it was damn cold!

HAHA. Yeah, It might be a little too cold for me to stand out there and try and debate them. This is my first trip there since high school so I want to be able to enjoy it as well :)

I wouldn't mind meeting the great Gravy there to, but since NYC is humungous, I doubt that'll happen haha.

If I do actually debate a truther there, i'll be sure to post a report about it, maybe some pictures or a video to.

Cheers!
 
They're only there on Saturdays, 1-4. Same at Union Square. I no longer go there to confront them, because the ones remaining are hardcore believers and are unlikely to be swayed by facts.
 
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Ahh. Well, I was hoping to debate them, but a nice stroll around the city will be nice to. You do your tours on Sundays?
 
I hope that the whole experience made you feel much better about yourself.
[sarcasm ON]Of course! I'm so much smarter than those folks, and really, they have no reason to live! That was the main reason I went, to stave off suicide for one more day! And it worked, yeah![sarcasm OFF]

*DING* Nope, not why I went, but thanks for playing!

:D
 
I hope that when the USG finally decides that waterboarding is torture, they decide the same about listening to truthers.
It really needs to be added to the Geneva Convention. Along with certain forms of Muzak, etc.
 
They're only there on Saturdays, 1-4. Same at Union Square. I no longer go there to confront them, because the ones remaining are hardcore believers and are unlikely to be swayed by facts.
Well, Gravy, I guess you've already given your pound of flesh.

More than I could ever do. I'd get too angry and upset.

That woman sure talked like a cult member. I felt sorry for her, really. But I guess she's happy in her delusional little world, so that's when I decided to just keep moving along. It's good we have free speech though. The remedy for free speech is free thinking and more free speech, which is what we do here. :D
 
My first response to Zlaya was actually nicer, so I'll post it as well:

I sense some sarcasm. I don't think I went there to "feel better about myself." I went there to see if they were real. I mean, I'd heard they were real, but it just seems so ... absurd, somehow, that there are actually people around who believe what they do, and so fervently and blandly proclaim it. Then again, I used to believe similar things (for about a month), so there's this endless fascination that I have as well.

I actually admired them, in a strange sort of way, for having such conviction that would make them stand out in the cold for hours -- it was DAMN cold out there today!

But that admiration didn't extend to being willing to listen to their drivel for long.... as Gravy says, it might soon be added to the Geneva Convention as a form of torture! Besides, I have a cold and did not want to make it worse!

And, going to St. Paul's did actually make me feel better about how people came together to help each other after 9/11. Although it also made me wish it didn't take a disaster to make us do that! AND the Star-Spangled Banner DID seem a bit out-of-place in a church -- I've never really liked that song -- but the young girls sang beautifully and followed it with Silent Night, so yeah, that did make me feel better about myself and about having the Christmas spirit among my fellows!
 
HAHA. Yeah, It might be a little too cold for me to stand out there and try and debate them. This is my first trip there since high school so I want to be able to enjoy it as well :)

I wouldn't mind meeting the great Gravy there to, but since NYC is humungous, I doubt that'll happen haha.

If I do actually debate a truther there, i'll be sure to post a report about it, maybe some pictures or a video to.

Cheers!
Have a great time, Metalli!

Let us know what you do and how it goes, over in the Community forum if nothing else. Take pictures and share!

There are various concerts and Christmas programs going on around there. The Trinity Choir (Wall St and Broadway) are performing Messiah tomorrow, it should be fantastic (but $25 or something, oh well)....

Have fun!!
 
I'm visiting New York City for the 1st time next week. I can't wait.

When visiting Ground Zero, I hope I don't bump into The Thermite Gang - telling me about how NORAD stood down, and that Bin Laden is too fat...
 
I'm going to NYC in a couple of weeks. I might go close to Ground Zero to see if there are any tr00thers scurrying around... but I don't know what I'd do. The first thought to spring to mind is to flip 'em some birdage.
 
I hope that when the USG finally decides that waterboarding is torture, they decide the same about listening to truthers.

I'd like to see George W Bush waterboarded twice a day. That way he can practice what he preaches. Seeing as he thinks it isn't torture...

Just imagine, 4pm George Bush is in the middle of an important phone call, two secret security guys burst in drag him out of the oval office, waterboard him for a while, and then let him get back to his phone call...
 
Uhm what is a ConEd substation?
An electrical substation, which was there before WTC 7 was built.
WTC 7 was designed so that it would stand above the substation, without interfering with it.

This meant that WTC 7's load distribution was very different even to the twin towers.
 
An electrical substation, which was there before WTC 7 was built.
WTC 7 was designed so that it would stand above the substation, without interfering with it.

This meant that WTC 7's load distribution was very different even to the twin towers.

Ah ok thanks for the info!
 

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