"I am God" approach, version 1.0

Kuko 4000 said:
I'm sorry, what does the Bible say to this, that someone is at least as powerful than your God?
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The Bible says that no one is as powerful as my God.
However, it doesn't say anything about having to convince anyone that this is true. God's power is manifest to anyone who recognizes it, and denying God's power is your problem, not mine.
 
AvalonXQ said:
The Bible says that no one is as powerful as my God.
However, it doesn't say anything about having to convince anyone that this is true. God's power is manifest to anyone who recognizes it, and denying God's power is your problem, not mine.
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Ok, clearly it seems that I am at least as powerful as your God, actually, I can prove that I am even more powerful than your God. Wanna bet?

I'm not having any problems denying your God's powers, I can even challenge your God and beat Him every single time. It seems to me that you're the one having problems in this respect.
 
Kuko 4000 said:
Ok, clearly it seems that I am at least as powerful as your God, actually, I can prove that I am even more powerful than your God. Wanna bet?
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Prove to whom, by what standard of proof?

I certainly don't believe that I can prove to you what Yahweh can do. Then again, as I've said before -- I don't have any responsibility to do that.
 
AvalonXQ said:
Prove to whom, by what standard of proof?
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To whomever you want. And by good scientific standards. Let's start from the easy things, let's see what your God is made of. The test:

I sit inside in my living room, place a tennis ball on my steady table and blow it down to the floor.

Let's put it this way, I would be amazed if your God could do this.

However, If he can't blow a tennis ball from the table, grow back amputees arms or create a rock of 1 kg, I don't think he is as much as many of the believers make Him out to be. To me it seems that He is just the creation of your imagination.
 
Kuko 4000 said:
To whomever you want. And by good scientific standards. Let's start from the easy things, let's see what your God is made of. The test:

I sit inside in my living room, place a tennis ball on my steady table and blow it down to the floor.

Let's put it this way, I would be amazed if your God could do this.

However, If he can't blow a tennis ball from the table, grow back amputees arms or create a rock of 1 kg, I don't think he is as much as many of the believers make Him out to be. To me it seems that He is just the creation of your imagination.
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By your standards, then, I'm more powerful than Arnold Schwartzeneggar, am I not?
 
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Destroyed by your own argument.

You can interact with the world around you. No God has ever done that or ever could.

You cannot be a God because you can make a cup of tea.

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:D
 
AvalonXQ said:
What you're actually saying is "I cannot be convinced that your God can do anything that I am not also convinced I can do".
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Nope, at this point I'm already saying that I can do things that I have absolutely no good reasons to think that your God can do, I am willing to demonstrate my skills first, and I'm also willing to bet all my money for it.
 
AvalonXQ said:
By your standards, then, I'm more powerful than Arnold Schwartzeneggar, am I not?
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Nope, Arnold has a record in weight lifting, I'm yet to see yours. I'm willing to believe your claim as soon as I see your record from official sources and they stand my double checks. And in any case, as impressive as that would be, there are many other people more powerful than Arnold as well.
 
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Right. Under the Kuko Method, Kuko is more powerful than God.
Also, under the Kuko Method, I am richer than Bill Gates, stronger than Arnold Schwartzeneggar, and more charismatic than Oprah -- and anyone else who's unwilling to appear in front of me right here and do as I instruct them.
I think that maybe the flaw is in the Kuko Method and not in those who are unwilling to obey our commands.
 
AvalonXQ said:
By your standards, then, I'm more powerful than Arnold Schwartzeneggar, am I not?
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Well, no. With a reasonable operating budget to pay his honorarium, we could get old Arnie into the room with you to compare you. If the powers of the Governator had as much import for humanity as the reality of a diety, I assure you, the money would not be difficult to raise.

I'll bet I could get Arnold blowing on a tennis ball for quarter of a million easy.
Is there any conceivable physical effort that could get your god to blow on the tennis ball?
 
Kuko 4000 said:
Nope, Arnold has a record in weight lifting, I'm yet to see yours. I'm willing to believe your claim as soon as I see your record from official sources.
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And God has a record in world-creation, miraculous healing, and prophecy. I've yet to see yours.
God's not going to appear in your living room to move your tennis ball, and Arnold's not going to appear in mine to lift weights. I guess we both win, huh?
 
Cavemonster said:
Well, no. With a reasonable operating budget to pay his honorarium, we could get old Arnie into the room with you to compare you. If the powers of the Governator had as much import for humanity as the reality of a diety, I assure you, the money would not be difficult to raise.
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You believe you can reasonably convince Arnold to come and perform a test with me; fine.
If you can reasonably convince Yahweh to do the same, I guarantee He would beat Kuko as well.
Yahweh is slightly less interested in money, though. So, good luck providing the appropriate incentive.
 
AvalonXQ said:
You believe you can reasonably convince Arnold to come and perform a test with me; fine.
If you can reasonably convince Yahweh to do the same, I guarantee He would beat Kuko as well.
Yahweh is slightly less interested in money, though. So, good luck providing the appropriate incentive.
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Surely you see that money is not the issue.

The claim that you are stronger than the Governator is falsifiable, there is a method to test it.

No similar claim about god is at all falsifiable, there is no way to test it.
Which puts it in the same league as, well.. any random unfalsifiable claim.
 
AvalonXQ said:
Right. Under the Kuko Method, Kuko is more powerful than God.
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Yes, so far that seems to be the case :) I'm willing to change my mind anytime though.


Also, under the Kuko Method, I am richer than Bill Gates, stronger than Arnold Schwartzeneggar, and more charismatic than Oprah -- and anyone else who's unwilling to appear in front of me right here and do as I instruct them.
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Nope, I have done everything I have claimed to be able to do, and I can prove it scientifically, you have not. I'm happy for you if you are richer than Bill Gates, but I have no good reason to believe you are. Do you have a reason to believe that I can not blow a tennis ball from my table?
 
AvalonXQ said:
The Bible says that no one is as powerful as my God.
However, it doesn't say anything about having to convince anyone that this is true. God's power is manifest to anyone who recognizes it, and denying God's power is your problem, not mine.
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I would say that proving your god exists is your problem,together with proving that Gahesh,Shiva,Kali,Zeus,Odin etc. do not exist.
 
AvalonXQ said:
You believe you can reasonably convince Arnold to come and perform a test with me; fine.
If you can reasonably convince Yahweh to do the same, I guarantee He would beat Kuko as well.
Yahweh is slightly less interested in money, though. So, good luck providing the appropriate incentive.
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The difference is, I have good reasons to assume that Arnold is physically stronger than I am, and I suspect that he is stronger than you are as well, but I would not bet all my money on it. Like I said, there are many people stronger than Arnold already around.

On the other hand, I have no good reasons to believe that your God is stronger than I am if he can't even blow a tennis ball from a table. And for this I am willing to bet all my money, and even all of my future money.
 
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