"I am God" approach, version 1.0

CriticalSock said:
But you're making a flat statement, so why can't they?
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Of course they can, but that would not be the end of it from my part. If a person doesn't want to go on, he is free to walk away, I'm not forcing anyone to stay. Many of the believers I've talked to are interested in discussion and don't just leave it at that. They are curious to hear my thoughts as well.
 
Since you're omnipotent, you obviously know how to convince me you're God. Since the approach you are using is not convincing me, you are not omnipotent. Therefore you are not God.
 
Kuko 4000 said:
Ok, I don't know if this is something old, but this approach / variation came to my mind recently and I hope you guys could test me a bit and help to spot any obvious holes and problems there might be. I haven't given it that much thought yet, but it seems a pretty solid way to illustrate a point. I like talking to people about their beliefs. Here in Finland it's mostly christians, and this approach is aimed at them.

It goes like this:

"I am God."

There.

I am an atheist, and I hope some of you guys try to act as christians and do your best to prove / show me wrong. Use what ever means you can think of in a face to face conversation. I'm being purposefully vague at the moment, but I'm hoping to get to the main point as the conversation flows. So, when you have time, try to come up with something as a christian and prove me wrong. Any help appreciated.
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Okay, this could be fun.
Which god are you?
 
GreyICE said:
Since you're omnipotent, you obviously know how to convince me you're God. Since the approach you are using is not convincing me, you are not omnipotent. Therefore you are not God.
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I guess you proved that I am not a God since I can't remember us having a discussion about this yet, and I don't think a God forgets such things...

Also, I know some people are atheists who don't believe in any gods, so I guess that point is moot anyway.

Also, who says I wanted to convince you in the first place?


Anyways, I'm happy to discuss this with you if you want to play the part of a believer:

So, "I am God." How would you proceed if you wanted to prove me wrong?
 
Kuko 4000 said:
Anyways, I'm happy to discuss this with you if you want to play the part of a believer:

So, "I am God." How would you proceed if you wanted to prove me wrong?
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I actually am a believer.
I'll ask you again: which god are you?
 
AvalonXQ said:
Okay, this could be fun.
Which god are you?
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Thanks Avalon :)

I'm the God that you believe in (remember I'm talking to Christians in this example) the Father of Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost, the creator of Albert Ayler and every single thing in the universe.
 
Kuko 4000 said:
Thanks Avalon :)

I'm the God that you believe in (remember I'm talking to Christians in this example) the Father of Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost, the creator of Albert Ayler and every single thing in the universe.
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Who's Albert Ayler?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Ayler

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"Trane was the father, Pharoah was the son, I was the holy ghost"

-Albert Ayler
 
Ah, free jazz. Fair enough.

Did Jesus Christ come in the flesh to save mankind?
 
Kuko 4000 said:
I think it's pretty easy to avoid though, I just tell them that I'm obviously adopting a human face (and body) for the time being :covereyes and anyways, I'm omnipotent.
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Or you could learn more about the bible.

Genesis 32:30:
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.​
And if you think that's good, read for context. Jacob actually wrestles God all night, pwns him, and demands God bless him. God cries uncle and does so.
 
yy2bggggs said:
Or you could learn more about the bible.

Genesis 32:30:
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.​
And if you think that's good, read for context. Jacob actually wrestles God all night, pwns him, and demands God bless him. God cries uncle and does so.
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Thanks :)
 
Kuko 4000 said:
I guess you proved that I am not a God since I can't remember us having a discussion about this yet, and I don't think a God forgets such things...

Also, I know some people are atheists who don't believe in any gods, so I guess that point is moot anyway.

Also, who says I wanted to convince you in the first place?


Anyways, I'm happy to discuss this with you if you want to play the part of a believer:

So, "I am God." How would you proceed if you wanted to prove me wrong?
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Exactly as that. If you declare yourself to be God to me, ergo you wish me to believe you to be God. If you are omnipotent, you would know how to convince me that you are God. Your statement was not convincing. Ergo, we are left with either a trickster God (which has many of the problems of 'God of the Gaps') or you are not omnipotent, and thus not God.
 
GreyICE said:
Exactly as that. If you declare yourself to be God to me, ergo you wish me to believe you to be God. If you are omnipotent, you would know how to convince me that you are God. Your statement was not convincing. Ergo, we are left with either a trickster God (which has many of the problems of 'God of the Gaps') or you are not omnipotent, and thus not God.
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I don't quite get it, how would you differentiate a real God from a fake god if the only thing you got from them is the statement "I am God."?
 
Kuko 4000 said:
I don't quite get it, how would you differentiate a real God from a fake god if the only thing you got from them is the statement "I am God."?
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A real God would convince me with that statement. Since he/she/it would be omnipotent and omniscient, knowing how to do that with a single statement would be trivial. Check our reference book for this stuff. When God shows up, he's like "I am God" and people fall down and worship him. They don't go "hmm, you sure? Let me check your credentials, and get two letters of reference."
 
AvalonXQ said:
Is it okay for me to wear clothing of two different fabrics?
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To answer your question: Yes.

But, I don't think you are playing the game I had in mind, though. If you catch me on some things where my knowledge of the bible is not good I can always say that this is not true anymore (I am God after all, and can change my mind and everything else whenever I want to) or whatever I can imagine, and you would just have to accept it or not accept it, purely on faith. Anyways, I encourage you to prove me wrong in my initial statement.
 
GreyICE said:
A real God would convince me with that statement. Since he/she/it would be omnipotent and omniscient, knowing how to do that with a single statement would be trivial. Check our reference book for this stuff. When God shows up, he's like "I am God" and people fall down and worship him. They don't go "hmm, you sure? Let me check your credentials, and get two letters of reference."
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Of course he would and could if he wanted to, but how can you be sure that he would care at all whether you believe "his" declaration or not? I think you're assuming too much here. In short, where is your evidence that God would have this effect on people even if he wanted to stay low key?
 
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