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CBL4 said:
The answer to overpopulation is stable democracy.
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The answer to overpopulation is stable democracy.
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Orwell said:
In poor cultures that doesn't work. In rich countries it does. Lots of theories exist as to why but I donno.
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SezMe said:
Because the lack of food in a regional area causes the the overpopulation in a regional area. Poor people have more babies.
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that overpopulation occurs locally but is not occurring globally. OK.
The solution to long term local overpopulation is blindingly obvious - migration.
Education of woman and wealth would turn it into a short term problem. Advocating war, eugenics, etc seems to be absurd.
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AWPrime said:
Only the wealthy think like that. The poor, able to afford none, have many.
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TragicMonkey said:
The flaw in your theory is that some gay people want to have kids as well.
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Grammatron said:
But how many do? And those that do, how many adopt an already-existing child rather than make a new one? I think it would still put a pretty big dent in the population growth.
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AWPrime said:
No. But neither do pandas have unlimited space. But id be silly for us to decide whats the best way to control the panda population.
And democracy doesnt control dangerous population growth. Eventually its up to nature.
Otherwise we could control the rat population just by givng them voting rights!
AWPrime,
I have misinterpreted something you said about global population. Do you believe global over-population is a problem? Or will be a problem? If so, approximately how much population is too much?
I do sort of agree with your "socialist wet dream comment." Leftists have been wrongly predictly overpopulation for decades. They have been advocating intrusive solutions for a non-existant problem.
CBL
I have misinterpreted something you said about global population. Do you believe global over-population is a problem? Or will be a problem? If so, approximately how much population is too much?
Clearly, I mean moving people to areas that do not have an overpopulation problem. For example, Europe's population is shrinking.
The reality is that population growth is slowing more rapidly than anyone ever expected. The doomsday scenarios of the 60s to 80s have vanished. Global population will most likely peak at under 10 billion sometimes this century. We currently have enough land, food and water to feed this many people. With technological advances, it is absurd to talk about overpopulation.
I do sort of agree with your "socialist wet dream comment." Leftists have been wrongly predictly overpopulation for decades. They have been advocating intrusive solutions for a non-existant problem.
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The problems you state aren't related to overpopulation. There is plenty of food to feed everyone. Japan is a pretty crowded island and does not suffer the same problems as many nations with plenty of land. Crime and poverty in third world nations have far more to do with politics than the number of people living in those countries.SezMe said:
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SezMe said:
Because these problems aren't caused by the fact that there are too many people.
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Libertarian said:
http://md1.csa.com/partners/viewrec...verpopulation+human&uid=1289439&setcookie=yes
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3791937&dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/...ve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11650378&dopt=Citation
http://annfammed.org/cgi/content/full/3/2/173
http://www.springerlink.com/app/hom...nal,3,11;linkingpublicationresults,1:106011,1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3791937&dopt=Citation
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/extract/285/4/411
http://www.springerlink.com/app/hom...nal,9,43;linkingpublicationresults,1:105738,1
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/280/5364/682?view=full
It certainly seems like there are some experts concerned about this, but I guess your typing "myth" in caps and saying it "doesn't exist" soundly debunks their research.
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delphi_ote said:
Argument by link is not only worthless, but bothersome. Make an argument. Summerize theirs and use the links as reference.
The answer to why education, birth control, and economic incentives work in developed countries but not in the third world is very simple: social security.
The absolute biggest reason people in developing countries have lots of kids is because that's the mechanism their society has to take care of them in old age. When your everyday life doesn't provide the means to invest in material wealth for your future, you have lots of kids and invest in them instead. All the condoms and pills in the world won't change that.
Contrast with places like Europe and, to a lesser extent, the United States, where socialized retirement plans are well established, and which are rich enough to allow a large number of people to save for their retirement independently. In fact, European nations in particular are becoming increasingly concerned about a population decline in the near future, as more and more people decide not to have children because they don't need them. Hell, I'm one of those...but it's only an option because I live in a country rich enough to support me.
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The absolute biggest reason people in developing countries have lots of kids is because that's the mechanism their society has to take care of them in old age. When your everyday life doesn't provide the means to invest in material wealth for your future, you have lots of kids and invest in them instead. All the condoms and pills in the world won't change that.
Contrast with places like Europe and, to a lesser extent, the United States, where socialized retirement plans are well established, and which are rich enough to allow a large number of people to save for their retirement independently. In fact, European nations in particular are becoming increasingly concerned about a population decline in the near future, as more and more people decide not to have children because they don't need them. Hell, I'm one of those...but it's only an option because I live in a country rich enough to support me.
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Rand Fan you might recognize this link.
http://www.globalissues.org/EnvIssues/Population/Result.asp
" Effects of Over-Consumption and Increasing Populations
The following are some of the areas of current and future tension. (Note how in the case of many of the regions mentioned below, wealthier nations have often been involved to extract and consume the resources leaving even less in the region for growing populations to contend with.)
* the various conflicts in Africa. It is also feared that conflicts involving water will increase.
* the Middle East where national interests in the vast oil fields have led to wars and influence from states like USA and UK.
* the 1998 riots in Indonesia fueled by the current global financial crisis.
* the Nile area, where Egypt rely on downstream water largely controlled by Ethiopia.
* Iraq, Syria and Turkey where there is tension surrounding the water flow of the Euphrates and Tigris.
* Israel and Jordan, where Israel cut water supplies to Jordan due to sever drought
* Israel and Palestine also are fighting over water resources as well. "
http://www.globalissues.org/EnvIssues/Population/Result.asp
" Effects of Over-Consumption and Increasing Populations
The following are some of the areas of current and future tension. (Note how in the case of many of the regions mentioned below, wealthier nations have often been involved to extract and consume the resources leaving even less in the region for growing populations to contend with.)
* the various conflicts in Africa. It is also feared that conflicts involving water will increase.
* the Middle East where national interests in the vast oil fields have led to wars and influence from states like USA and UK.
* the 1998 riots in Indonesia fueled by the current global financial crisis.
* the Nile area, where Egypt rely on downstream water largely controlled by Ethiopia.
* Iraq, Syria and Turkey where there is tension surrounding the water flow of the Euphrates and Tigris.
* Israel and Jordan, where Israel cut water supplies to Jordan due to sever drought
* Israel and Palestine also are fighting over water resources as well. "
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Here is a map depicting the correlation between population
growth and global enviormental degregation.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/worldbalance/earth.html
If you cover your eyes with your hands then peep through
your fingers it doesnt seem so bad..... Call it a premonition but I doubt that will make it go away.
growth and global enviormental degregation.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/worldbalance/earth.html
If you cover your eyes with your hands then peep through
your fingers it doesnt seem so bad..... Call it a premonition but I doubt that will make it go away.
Hmmmmm.
I would control population through space travel. It's an option we need to explore more thoroughly.
Just my couple of pennies.
Maybe I should expand a bit, though. We have enough resources for a bit, why not spend those resources expanded our species. I mean, unlikely as it is, the Earth WILL get hit by that comet/asteroid ONE of these fine days, if we wait long enough. What if a plague a la The Stand does strike Earth. It seems to be mor elogical to not have all our eggs in one basket, as it were.
We've taken the baby steps, now it is time to stride.
Once again, just my opinion.
I would control population through space travel. It's an option we need to explore more thoroughly.
Just my couple of pennies.
Maybe I should expand a bit, though. We have enough resources for a bit, why not spend those resources expanded our species. I mean, unlikely as it is, the Earth WILL get hit by that comet/asteroid ONE of these fine days, if we wait long enough. What if a plague a la The Stand does strike Earth. It seems to be mor elogical to not have all our eggs in one basket, as it were.
We've taken the baby steps, now it is time to stride.
Once again, just my opinion.