Yes that is all well and good.
Or it could just be a guy resting things on his sticky sweaty skin.
Or it could just be a guy resting things on his sticky sweaty skin.
Only if that culture has experience with gaps in the cave wall.
Just like the indigeneous tribes could not see the ships of Columbus because they had no experience with them, the poor sap born in a cave will forever run into walls trying to reach the daylight.
hopfen
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Exactly the same situation as how the Apollo astronauts couldn't see the four-dimensional indigenes on Luna. So, since none of us knows how to generate a magnetic field on our skin to attract cutlery, we shouldn't be able to perceive these wonders, right?
LTC8K6
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Anyone who has ever sat in a vinyl seat and "stuck" to it knows what's going on here.
We should write a book. We'll hire Trudea to produce the television spots and Kent Hovind the radio spots.
We'll be rollin' in dough, baby.
If the cave was "smoke filled" then they had a fire going, which means it wasn't completely dark...
IIRC, some animals have organs that can detect the orientation of magnetic fields. No such organs are present in humans.
nathan
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Er, well gosh, I'd not considered people living there entire lives inside caves with no entrances to be a significant population.
How else do you suppose insidespace became so well informed?
This is in response to your rant in the segment of this that was removed and which I just read. In a response to mine re: sadness for those who know nothing of science, you responded with the old Bumblebees can't fly - but they do anyway - canard. The idiot who "proved that " was using flight characteristics for fixed wing aircraft. The Bumblebee is not fixed wing. Multiple persons (those having real scientific backgrounds) jumped that and trounced it almost immediately BECAUSE THEY KNEW SCIENCE AND BEHAVED LIKE SCIENTISTS IN THE FACE OF BAD SCIENCE DO. Which is what many of us are doing in the face of your feelings about magnetic people (frauds), monopoles (demonstrably unseen anywhere - that is where I had you on the North or South Poles thing and why I asked if you were joking) etc.
I could demonstrate the ability to attract metal objects to my upper-mid abdomen for a couple hours... then the ability moves down a bit until I can only attract them to my backside.
Eventually, however I have to excuse myself and when I return I no longer have the talent...
And also if you have any iron plumbing you may need to call a plumber to remove the little neodymium magnets from the pipes. Also... they won't be clean...
Eventually, however I have to excuse myself and when I return I no longer have the talent...
And also if you have any iron plumbing you may need to call a plumber to remove the little neodymium magnets from the pipes. Also... they won't be clean...
They couldn't?
NITPICK ALERT!!!
Magnetite structures similar to those used by some animals, birds, fish, insects, and bacteria to detect the orientation of magnetic fields are now known to be common in human brain tissue, having been discovered in 1992. They do, however, seem to be as useless in most species (including ours) as male nipples.
Try Googling "human brain magnetite" for some kicks.
It's a joke (I hope). The idiot movie (I forget the title but it was something like "What the &^$@#*did Idiot Investors give us money for, anyway") that had Marlee Matlin demonstrate she has a problem way bigger than deafness as she appears to believe that quantum theory (which functionally applies only to the elementary particles) means that primitive peoples cannot see anything if they have no prior knowledge of it's existence (thus Amerinds could see waves from the approaching ships of Columbus but not the ships themselves). This is, of course, a crock.
It is possible that the basis for this is that some studies have shown that some primitive people - with no history of two-dimensional representations of things - cannot recognize pictures of themselves as pictures of themselves. No evidence has been found that 3-dimensional things evoke that same lack and in neither case are the things not recognized as real things (photographs are not invisible to them, they just cannot interpret them - until some demonstration and experimentation has occured)
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Well I was happy to see that nitwit alert, because I for one think that the human brain has *way* more capeabilities than the human brain can imagine ha ha, and I just bet you dimes to donuts that the supposedly "primitive" man (or woman you know) were not so "primitive" as we think. They could certainly find their caves without electric lights!!!!!!
If this is so hard to accept, why would "magnetism" have such an "attraction" for everyone? And why would everyone say that "attractive" people have "magnetic" personalities???? Why, indeed???
Just remember, just because it's January doesn't mean the earth is flat!
Now, as I have "thought" about this problem, I have come up with something. No-body knows how the first cavemen (and cave-women) ever found the iron that led to the iron age, which led to modern society. So, I honestly believe that primitive cave-men (and cave-women) "evolved" their magnetic "sight" to find the small iron samples in the ground, so they could start the "iron age" by digging the iron out. Then they could make sharp knives that were no match for the stone tools of the other caves. So, the cave-men and cave-women who had magnetic sight outfought the others, and evolution occurred to get them in to-day's population and an organ in the brain, as the nitwit alert said.
As the doctor said to the clam, nothing more need to be said!
Hope this helps
If this is so hard to accept, why would "magnetism" have such an "attraction" for everyone? And why would everyone say that "attractive" people have "magnetic" personalities???? Why, indeed???
Just remember, just because it's January doesn't mean the earth is flat!
Now, as I have "thought" about this problem, I have come up with something. No-body knows how the first cavemen (and cave-women) ever found the iron that led to the iron age, which led to modern society. So, I honestly believe that primitive cave-men (and cave-women) "evolved" their magnetic "sight" to find the small iron samples in the ground, so they could start the "iron age" by digging the iron out. Then they could make sharp knives that were no match for the stone tools of the other caves. So, the cave-men and cave-women who had magnetic sight outfought the others, and evolution occurred to get them in to-day's population and an organ in the brain, as the nitwit alert said.
As the doctor said to the clam, nothing more need to be said!
Hope this helps
sthomson
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You're referring to "animal magnetism", insidespace, which is totally different from elemental magnetism. ANIMAL magnetism was a term coined to describe the so-called "ethereal fluid" that humans could use to influence things. It was SPECIFICALLY developed to contrast with regular "magnetism", like you find with magnets. Animal magnetism DOES NOT refer to any human ability to magnetically attract metals.
Here's a question: if ancient man had to use some "magnetic sense" to find Iron, then how did they discover bronze, which isn't magnetic, and was very prevalently used for tools before iron was?
Futhermore, anyone who's read the Wikipedia article on the Iron age, or (can we hope) an actual reference book knows that "cave men" did not use iron. Humans were living in normal, non-cave structures by that point.
I'll be surprised if you respond directly to the points I've made. Please surprise me.
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You "say" that animal magnetism has nothing to do with "real" magnetism, but I don't see anything that supports that, only your opinion.
Why say "magnetism" if you don't mean it?
What other force could possibly attract people, anyway?
Now, on the "highly technical" issue of bronze versus iron versus lead versus whatever, I am sure that there is an answer to this conundrum. Maybe the bronze was sitting out in the open. Maybe the magnetic eyes of early cavemen (and women) were sensitive to bronze. Just because the bronze of TODAY is not supposedly magnetic, how do we know that the bronze that our forefathers used was not???? Answer that one, cause you were not there, and neither was I.
And just because bronze exists does not mean that iron was not more important. Everybody knows iron is better anyway. Just because rats exist does not mean goats do not exist. I don't see the point frankly.
Now on your quibbling over caves. Well, I happen to know that people lived in caves for a long time, hundreds of years maybe. So, who's to say? Have you visited the caves where people lived? In Turkey, people still live in caves. In fact, I have heard most of the population lives in caves at this very day, a protection against earthquakes which plague Asia Minor this millinium.
As the pilot said to the politician, don't assume you are up when you could be down!
Hope this helps.
Why say "magnetism" if you don't mean it?
What other force could possibly attract people, anyway?
Now, on the "highly technical" issue of bronze versus iron versus lead versus whatever, I am sure that there is an answer to this conundrum. Maybe the bronze was sitting out in the open. Maybe the magnetic eyes of early cavemen (and women) were sensitive to bronze. Just because the bronze of TODAY is not supposedly magnetic, how do we know that the bronze that our forefathers used was not???? Answer that one, cause you were not there, and neither was I.
And just because bronze exists does not mean that iron was not more important. Everybody knows iron is better anyway. Just because rats exist does not mean goats do not exist. I don't see the point frankly.
Now on your quibbling over caves. Well, I happen to know that people lived in caves for a long time, hundreds of years maybe. So, who's to say? Have you visited the caves where people lived? In Turkey, people still live in caves. In fact, I have heard most of the population lives in caves at this very day, a protection against earthquakes which plague Asia Minor this millinium.
As the pilot said to the politician, don't assume you are up when you could be down!
Hope this helps.
Tokenconservative
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I've been a human magnet for years.
Well, a babe magnet, anyway.
Magnets repel as well as attract you know!
Tokie
Well, a babe magnet, anyway.
Magnets repel as well as attract you know!
Tokie
"nitwit alert"?
You may wish to recheck your premise. The "magneto-vision" theory you're trying to put forward is in no way assisted by this. What you're describing is, in fact, flat out paranormal.