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Huh???!!!! WTF??

casebro said:
It looks like a photoshop of an executive jet that somebody swapped wings and engine nacelle locations. And pasted it to a single contrail.
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Thats what it looks like to me. A G550 or similar with the wings and engines swapped. The engines are so close together on the back of the fuselage that the contrails often merge into one not far behind the tail.
 
MRC_Hans said:
The contrail looks perfectly normal, except that it starts too close the the craft. There will normally be some slip before the exhaust cools to the condensation point.
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I agree, which is why I was convinced this was Photoshop shenanigans more than the strange configuration of the proposed aircraft.

All this aside, how come is this thread in science board? Shouldn't it be in general skepticism because of the supposed UFO, or conspiracy theories because of the alleged Chemtrail?
 
Alphaba said:
Kind of a jet- or steam-powered sperm whale flying several miles above a planet.

Reminds me of 42 things. But could be the 43rd.
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If we enhance the resolution, CSI-style, maybe we could even see the jet- or steam-powered tea cup alongside it.
 
macdoc said:
He only altered it to bring out detail.
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Then he should provide the original, and be able to tell exactly what he did to "bring out detail". Looking at how close the colour of the rear wings is to the air in the background, I think it is somewhat plausible that some enhancements might have accidentally removed the wings.

The file itself seems odd. Looking at the raw data it looks a bit like there is a DOS/Windows executable crammed into it. I renamed it to an .EXE, and Windows seems to accept it as a program, but says "Program too large for memory". Probably for the better.
 
macdoc said:
He only altered it to bring out detail...
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Yep, that's where you went wrong, after that your assumptions are unfounded. He shouldn't have 'altered' it at all...he should provide the original file in what ever form that was.
 
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casebro said:
It looks like a photoshop of an executive jet that somebody swapped wings and engine nacelle locations. And pasted it to a single contrail.

And swapping parts form the same pic would make pixel counts match, not like cut and pasting Hillary's face onto a jet liner.

Single contrail = single engine, multiple contrail = multi engine. Except that as the multi ages, it becomes a single too. Not sure if that model executive jet with twin engines located on each side of the tail would make one contrail?

I watched a contrail just the other day. Low enough/close enough that I could see the turbulence breaking it into individual cotton balls. Funny thing I noticed about it was that the cotton balls kept moving too, right along the path the jet had taken. All the way until the contrail dissipated. I don't know whether that always happens, or whether the plane was in the jet stream which transported the contrail along. ???
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madurobob said:
Thats what it looks like to me. A G550 or similar with the wings and engines swapped. The engines are so close together on the back of the fuselage that the contrails often merge into one not far behind the tail.
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Here's a G550 in flight producing contrails.....



....even though the engines are close together laterally either side of the empennage, the twin contrails do not merge into a single one until at least two fuselage lengths behind the engines, but in the faked up example, the contrails have already merged in less than one fuselage length. Also, with the engines so far forward and so close to the fuselage, I would expect to see the effect of turbulence caused by the exhaust flow passing so close to the empennage. Those of us old enough to remember the DH Comet (an airliner that had wing-root engines, and the only one I can think of with its engines close along the side of the fuselage) will remember the wide contrails it produced.

I concur with those who say this is a photoshopped image. It looks like a Gulfstream GV or similar (something with winglets) with the engines moved forward, and the outer section of the wings moved back. As an earlier poster said, you can see where the wings have been photoshopped out (the general curvature of the fuselage has become dead straight.)

ET: and I also do photo manipulation, alteration and restoration for a living (bona-fides available on request)
 
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It's not a G-V because the G-V has MLG doors.

The plane used in the pic just has flush fitting MLG wheels.

That's why I chose a CRJ. I believe I can see at least one MLG tire stowed in the fuselage.
 
I'm buggered if I can see how such a contraption could even manage to fly in the first place ;)
 
All you have to do is take a picture of a regular DC-8 flying above, and then you can claim it's a Xenu space plane carrying thetans to Teegeeack for memory implants.
 
I'm buggered if I can see how such a contraption could even manage to fly in the first place
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Lot of pretzels to twist through for sure.

Variable nozzle for the rear outlet and rotatable nacelles up front and for sure fly by wire but really makes no sense ....still trying to get more info.
 
Polaris said:
If we enhance the resolution, CSI-style, maybe we could even see the jet- or steam-powered tea cup alongside it.
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It would be an amazing coincidence that those two would finally meet, and rejoiced in partaking the sperm whale's memorable words when they ran out of fuel:
"This is really exciting, so much to find out about, so much to look forward to, I'm quite dizzy with anticipation . . . Or is it the wind?
There really is a lot of that now, isn't there? And wow! Hey! What's this thing suddenly coming toward me very fast? Very, very fast.
So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide-sounding name like . . . ow . . . ound . . . round . . . ground! That's it! That's a good name- ground!
I wonder if it will be friends with me?
Hello Ground!"​








"And the rest, after a sudden wet thud, was silence."
 
Yep, that's where you went wrong, after that your assumptions are unfounded. He shouldn't have 'altered' it at all...he should provide the original file in what ever form that was.
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I didn't go wrong....he altered it ...don't shoot the messenger...I'm trying to get more info and an original

Is there any Rutan contraption that matches??? He loves his winglets.
 
Excuse me but, isn't this a very badly photochopped image?

There are two wheels, but the "turbines" are rotated 30° so one is barely visible. The trail is straight, but it is not perfectly aligned with nor centred in the fuselage axis. The brightly illuminated parts are inconsistent -one "turbine" has to be transparent, like Wonder Woman's plane-. The trail seems to come from a low speed scene, and the craft looks aerodynamically like a soda syphon with flaps, while there are badly concealed slot-like marks in the places where wings and other elements are expected.
 
macdoc said:
I didn't go wrong....he altered it ...don't shoot the messenger...I'm trying to get more info and an original

Is there any Rutan contraption that matches??? He loves his winglets.
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I'd love to see all 4 of his "originals"--before any alterations at all.

(And, no, all of Rutan's machines are aerodynamic...)
 
Yup that's what I asked for...will see....we told him to put up or shut up. Out of character for him but ya never know...
The "slot" in the tale is what intrigued me...why bother with that detail and you would think a put up would be aerodynamic :boggled:

Will update as I have some info
 
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