Hugo Chavez Loves Free Speech...

[Pardalis]

DC, you never answered my question.

In the video Chávez clearly says to his militia : "Simply take all power in Venezuela, absolutely all, sweep away the bourgeoisie from all political and economic spaces, deepen the revolution"

Doesn't that worry you?

If you were worried about Cheney based on false information, isn't there cause for concern about Chávez, based on good information (his own words).

 

[McHrozni]

DC, you never answered my question.

In the video Chávez clearly says to his militia : "Simply take all power in Venezuela, absolutely all, sweep away the bourgeoisie from all political and economic spaces, deepen the revolution"

Doesn't that worry you?

If you were worried about Cheney based on false information, isn't there cause for concern about Chávez, based on good information (his own words).

Is there any chance to get a subtitled version of that video?

McHrozni

 

[funk de fino]

back then when I choosed my Forum name, it was pretty well confirmed that Cheney was the Mastermind behind 9/11. It was only later it turned out that the "Intel" i gathered wasnt as good as i belived it to be.

missed a D

That should say "believed" also.

 

[Pardalis]

As far as I can tell, the translation is accurate.

Like any dictator, criticism of the state = plot to overthrow the revolution. So he will take any form of dissent as proof that there's a plot against him, and he will ask his militia to take over the country, politically and economically.

and now it seems he's getting more ground help from his Iranian buddies:

http://beforeitsnews.com/news/35398...ts_U.S._clash_with_Islamist_paramilitary.html

 

[McHrozni]

As far as I can tell, the translation is accurate.

I actually don't doubt that, I want to see the entire speech and be able to cram it down the throat of various Chavez supporters here and elsewhere

Like any dictator, criticism of the state = plot to overthrow the revolution. So he will take any form of dissent as proof that there's a plot against him, and he will ask his militia to take over the country, politically and economically.

Pretty much, yeah. All but the worst fears about him are happening.

McHrozni

 

[dudalb]

I actually don't doubt that, I want to see the entire speech and be able to cram it down the throat of various Chavez supporters here and elsewhere



Pretty much, yeah. All but the worst fears about him are happening.

McHrozni

And it seems like it's only a matter or time before He starts fulfilling the worst fears.
But no matter what, His Comrade True Believers will defend his every action.

 

[McHrozni]

And it seems like it's only a matter or time before He starts fulfilling the worst fears.

I don't know, death camps are still a way off. I doubt even his own populace is sufficiently brainwashed to support that.

But no matter what, His Comrade True Believers will defend his every action.

Of that I'm sure. He is doing it for his people, after all.

A great problem that I see with his rule is that he's greatly expanding the importance of the military. It could be the military already holds enough sway over the government that they will not let anyone else fill the post, should anyone else be elected or replace him in some way. If it doesn't it certainly is going that way, and rapidly. Once the military is in power, there is no telling how bad the conditions can become and how long their rule is going to last.

McHrozni

 

[Skeptic]

And it seems like it's only a matter or time before He starts fulfilling the worst fears.
But no matter what, His Comrade True Believers will defend his every action.

The defense would be what we already see now -- the same excuse used to defend Ho Chi Minh, Stalin, etc.: they don't see what's the big deal about not having free elections since "the people" clearly support dear leader, and what's the big deal about having gulags since the law clearly says only "counterrevolutionaries" will be put there.

 

[DC]

DC, you never answered my question.

In the video Chávez clearly says to his militia : "Simply take all power in Venezuela, absolutely all, sweep away the bourgeoisie from all political and economic spaces, deepen the revolution"

Doesn't that worry you?

If you were worried about Cheney based on false information, isn't there cause for concern about Chávez, based on good information (his own words).

havent seen that video, and bevore i juimp the bandwagon, source and context?

so many times the Anti-Chavista boys claimed something that later turned out to be wrong.

 

[McHrozni]

havent seen that video, and bevore i juimp the bandwagon, source and context?

The video is embedded in his post. It is from a recent speech he made to his militia, and it was put on youtube by his supporters - I don't know if it was an official channel or not.

so many times the Anti-Chavista boys claimed something that later turned out to be wrong.

So many times have you thought something claimed about him was wrong, when it wasn't.

McHrozni

 

[DC]

The video is embedded in his post. It is from a recent speech he made to his militia, and it was put on youtube by his supporters - I don't know if it was an official channel or not.



So many times have you thought something claimed about him was wrong, when it wasn't.

McHrozni

need translation and context.

sounds like the "Bring the Tanks to the streets" quote wich in context wasnt what was claimed.

we will see i guess.

 

[DC]

"If they were to do it ... you know what you would have to do. Simply take all power in Venezuela, absolutely all, sweep away the bourgeoisie from all political and economic spaces, deepen the revolution," he said.

In case of another coup attempt or assasination of Chavez.

 

[Pardalis]

In case of another coup attempt or assasination of Chavez.

So you're OK with it, even in that context?

 

[Skeptic]

havent seen that video, and bevore i juimp the bandwagon, source and context?

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

 

[Skeptic]

So you're OK with it, even in that context?

Hey, I don't see the problem.

If someone attempts to assassinate Obama, it would be fine for Obama in retaliation to declare himself dictator, "sweep away" all the "burgenois" that disagree with him from every position of power, put his own men in, and cancel the elections.

After all, it's just a reaction to the counter-revolutionary plotting, right?

Oh, and P.S.

Somehow tells me it won't take long for El Presidente to declare there was a "secret" attempt on his life or an "attempted" coup -- whether there was or wasn't -- which justifies him going ahead with the plan and finishing off whatever's left of human and civil and democratic life is left in Venezuela.

All animals are equal, after all, but some animals (Chavez and his junta) are more equal than others.

 

[DC]

Hey, I don't see the problem.

If someone attempts to assassinate Obama, it would be fine for Obama in retaliation to declare himself dictator, "sweep away" all the "burgenois" that disagree with him from every position of power, put his own men in, and cancel the elections.

After all, it's just a reaction to the counter-revolutionary plotting, right?

Oh, and P.S.

Somehow tells me it won't take long for El Presidente to declare there was a "secret" attempt on his life or an "attempted" coup -- whether there was or wasn't -- which justifies him going ahead with the plan and finishing off whatever's left of human and civil and democratic life is left in Venezuela.

All animals are equal, after all, but some animals (Chavez and his junta) are more equal than others.

what would happen in the USA in a case of a coup?
would the army just sit there and watch how thee power is given to the coup plotters?

 

[DC]

So you're OK with it, even in that context?

depends, if they set elections for a new president in case of assasination.
and also in a coup, i think its better than giving the power to the Fedecámaras like in the 2002 coup.

what would happen in your country in such a case?

 

[McHrozni]

what would happen in the USA in a case of a coup?
would the army just sit there and watch how thee power is given to the coup plotters?

We can't say that, but we do know what would happen after an assassination, which was one of two possible conditions Chavez outlined.

A new president would be sworn in within hours, the actual plotters would be hunted down relentlessly and punished, and that would be the end of it. No sweeping away those that disagree or anything.

McHrozni

 

[DC]

We can't say that, but we do know what would happen after an assassination, which was one of two possible conditions Chavez outlined.

A new president would be sworn in within hours, the actual plotters would be hunted down relentlessly and punished, and that would be the end of it. No sweeping away those that disagree or anything.

McHrozni

assasination is clear. Vize President will become prsident i thought.
propably same in Venezuela.
but i am sure an assasination will not come without a coup attempt by the opposition.

 

[McHrozni]

assasination is clear. Vize President will become prsident i thought.
propably same in Venezuela.

According to the speech, militia and military is to sweep the "bourgeoisie" away.

but i am sure an assasination will not come without a coup attempt by the opposition.

Why is that? Suppose a disgruntled former shopkeeper, whose shop was expropriated without compensation by Chavez were to shoot him on his own accord. Why would you consider that impossible?

McHrozni